Talk:The Giver/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Semi-protected edit request on 10 June 2020

The story is set during a time where the Department of Justice has ordained an agency to reserve all historical records to one "giver" and one successor by way of some sort of neural communication of memories. However, not even the receiver's mother is permitted to know about the her son's learnings by order of the Department, and she works there. [tw:this may be a spoiler but is the whole Anthropological point of the book]. The scene was botched in the movie. Nickcarducci (talk) 22:26, 21 June 2020 (UTC) Nickcarducci (talk) 21:41, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

References

I'm not sure you are right. Jonas's "mother" is in the Department of Justice and Jonas is not allowed to discuss history with her.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:50, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Note: OP changed their original post with this edit after my initial response.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:46, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Wehwalt, it's not strictly a WP:RS but I trust Fandom's fan wikis for a lot of this stuff, when I don't have the book right at hand: [1] Mother works in the Department of Law and Order. Not Justice. A quick search doesn't indicate anything about whether she was forbidden to know, but wasn't everyone forbidden? Elizium23 (talk) 22:48, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

My edition says (Chapter 1) "“Next, Mother, who held a prominent position at the Department of Justice, talked about her feelings.” And in Chapter 2, with Mother speaking, “After my Ceremony of Twelve, I missed my childhood recreation. But when I entered my training for Law and Justice, I found myself with people who shared my interests. I made friends on a new level, friends of all ages.” Chapter 7, "“For some—one studious male had been selected as Doctor, a female as Engineer, and another for Law and Justice—it would be years of hard work and study.” And you are right, Jonas's mother is not permitted to view the books and so has no knowledge of history before the Community was formed, and Jonas may not discuss his training with her. I do not see what the OP is asking for in the book, and I see no mention of a Department of Law and Order (such a term might be a little too chilling for the utopian atmosphere that seems to exist at the start of the book).--Wehwalt (talk) 22:56, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Can you say what chapter of the book discusses the Department of Justice in this regard? The only thing I remember is Jonas's mom mentioning that a chronic rulebreaker is to be released from the community.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:35, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Peer Reviewed - Spoilers?

First, let me say I think it's a fine article, and worthy of attention. Second, I'm a bit leery about giving away a bit too much of the major detail as spoilers. You didn't do it overtly, and it makes sense for somebody who has read the book several times, but alluding to 'release' the way it stands now and the links to euthanasia etc at the bottom could lead some readers to figgure out the BEST plot twists that they wouldn't be aware of had they not read the book.

I'm not suggesting that the information given be changed, but I think a fair warning of 'spoilers' fairly early in the article should be given.

Great write, to all major and minor contributors!!! Weaponofmassinstruction 05:12, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

While I think it's only cricket to expect spoilers in a section entitled "Plot summary", it's also true that the later sections in this particular article harbor a few as well. Therefore, I've added a spoiler notice immediately before the table of contents.

Thanks for your time, your comments and your approval! Anville 21:39, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Glad to be of help. Weaponofmassinstruction 04:35, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Sequels

Sorry, but I JUST realized we had a copy of 'Messenger' in the library at work, and I didn't know about 'Gathering Blue', but I shal have to seek it out, then see what I can come up with. Weaponofmassinstruction 05:05, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I've created stubs for the two "sequels"; Gathering Blue also has a scan of the cover. (You may notice that the cover image on this page is slightly less fuzzy, too.) I don't have a copy of Messenger at hand—the copy I read was the one I gave my mother for Xmas. Consequently, I feel much less confident writing about it, so that job is up to someone else. My feeling is that there will be less to work with for these two books, partly because The Giver has been around longer and has been banned in more places. Anville 01:27, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

A factual question

I wondered about the last bit of this first-paragraph sentence: "Jonas is selected to inherit the position of "Receiver of Memory", the man who stores all the memories of the time before Sameness, in case they are ever needed." It has been a while since I read the book, but I thought that the memories were secreted away so that the rest of the population wouldn't have to feel or deal with the pain they included, rather than because they might be needed later. Am I missing something? Totoro 05:14, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The Committee of Elders calls upon the Receiver when they need the wisdom the memories provide. The Giver tells Jonas about two examples, once when the Committee considered increasing the population and once when an errant jet pilot flew over the Community by mistake. The memories are kept because the Elders know they will need the wisdom from time to time, but they are restricted to one individual, the Receiver, to protect the citizens from the pain memories cause.

I thought the phrasing was clear enough, but if it's not, I welcome modifications. Anville 20:54, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I agree with Ktvoelker, I think the phrasing of the beginning of the article could be changed to include the detail that if the memories of pain and suffering were to reach the community who have never experienced such things, that it could cause panic and chaos among the Sameness population. 198.254.26.2 (talk) 01:28, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Comments

I really liked the way that the article was organized and the content was very well rounded. I fully encompassed what the text was meant to portray. I also liked the section that contained the criticisms about the book and the way it was been challenged. The article is a good representation of the text and the ideas surrounding it. Luke.perrino (talk) 20:34, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 October 2020

Second Paragraph under heading: "Plot":

The Chief Elder then explains that Jonas has not been given a normal assignment, but instead has been selected as the next Receiver of Memory, to be trained by the current one, who sits among the Elders, staring at Jonas, and who shares with the boy unusual pale eyes.The position of Receiver has high status and responsibility, and Jonas quickly finds himself growing distant from his classmates, including his close friends Asher and Fiona.

Add a space between sentences 4 and 5. Change to:

The Chief Elder then explains that Jonas has not been given a normal assignment, but instead has been selected as the next Receiver of Memory, to be trained by the current one, who sits among the Elders, staring at Jonas, and who shares with the boy unusual pale eyes. The position of Receiver has high status and responsibility, and Jonas quickly finds himself growing distant from his classmates, including his close friends Asher and Fiona. 111.220.70.145 (talk) 05:49, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Done.--Wehwalt (talk) 05:54, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 April 2021

Jonas is gay. 206.176.103.212 (talk) 17:46, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 17:56, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

ALERT - Vandalism on the Article

Please take note of a high increase in vandalism-related edits on the article. As of 12th June 2013, there has been about 18 reverts since May and many of them are due to vandalism. For instance, I found an edit by User 24.46.57.113 irrelevant as he deleted a huge chunk of the article without leaving a proper edit summary, which made the article very disorganized and weird. TO ALL USERS: Let's try to minimize vandalism on this article ! L. Zheng Wei (talk) 1:24, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Note the innapropiate and out of place Edit Request at the bottom of this talk page. I'm glad that the page is now semi protected and that it is no longed vandalized. 198.254.26.2 (talk) 02:10, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 August 2021

Please add the semi-protected top icon to the article. 49.194.27.2 (talk) 07:30, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

 Done RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 21:26, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Challenged Books Mention in Lead

In the lead section there is a mention of The Giver being placed on the American Library Association's 1990's challenged book list. This claim is not mentioned again in the article. Either it needs to be removed from the lead section, or it needs to be addressed under criticisms. Avprnow (talk) 17:33, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

I agree with this comment and would also like to point out that the Background section of the article is also not mentioned in the lead even though it is a major part of the article. I think that this section should be referenced in the lead and the Challenged Books section of the lead should be reflected in the rest of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rrichter456 (talk • contribs) 12:53, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Missing adaptation

The 2019 comic adaptation by P. Craig Russell isn´t listed. Published by Clarion Books: https://www.comixology.com/The-Giver-Graphic-Novel/digital-comic/757608 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.64.147.60 (talk) 12:44, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 26 August 2020 and 18 December 2020. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Collindh23.

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Academic Discussions Needed

The book is named to have substantial acclaim ad criticism. However, there is barely any mention of academic discussions of the story as is. It could benefit from an inclusion of academic discussions about the book. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Connorehl (talk • contribs) 14:43, 30 March 2022 (UTC)