Talk:The Haves and the Have Nots (TV series)

Season 2

Not sure if there actually is a second season yet. In the midst of the recent press release regarding Love Thy Neighbor, it states:

“ In addition, the network has ordered an additional four episodes of the Tyler Perry drama “The Haves and the Have Nots” on top of the 16 additional episodes ordered in June. This brings the total order for “The Haves and the Have Nots” to 36 episodes for its first season. ”

Just wanted to get other editors options on this. – Recollected • 22:48, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

I saw those reports too and was puzzled myself. Those particular reports seem to contradict OWN reports. If you watch Love Thy Neighbor commercials previous to the show's 8/21/13 episodes, you'll see Tyler Perry stating for himself that Love Thy Neighbor is airing its season finale on that date, suggesting that the episodes for January 2014 are apart of season two. And that only seems logical as a 50+ episode first season is bizarre. To support this, we might consider using websites that state Love Thy Neighbor as having a season finale this week, such as here [1] considering that's what OWN's own commercials have stated. AmericanDad86 (talk) 23:01, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Though they all count as season 1 eoisodes, I believe that maybe his split it in half and made it into a second season, because at the beginning of the "second" season, the opening sequence was changed Zhyboo (talk) 04:52, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

"multiracial" really necessary?

maybe I'm being oversensitive, but seeing as the show isn't about race, can we not just do away with labeling shows by the skin color of the cast?? It's 2013. We should be able to see past that in this day and age. It makes wikipedia look very archaic. 173.60.200.48 (talk) 02:15, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

I think it's a notable point that the cast is so multiracial. A multiracial cast is still pretty rare in a show these days regardless of the year. Shows typically portray either a white family or black family. That a show focuses equally on both a white and black family is unique. Also, that one of the show's cast members even pointed this out strikes me as noteworthy. Besides that, race has been brought up several times in the show now. In last night's episode alone, Veronica stated and I quote, "As it is, he has to deal with being a black man in this world. Now he's complicating that even more with homosexuality. I'm not having it." She also mentioned race in the episode before that, telling Jeffrey not to dress in a certain way because white people are given to judging blacks who don't look presentable. She also brought up race in the scene with Hanna, telling her "I thought our people had past up being a mad a long time ago. Seems you didn't get the memo." AmericanDad86 (talk) 03:27, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

I agree that it is a notable point that the cast is diverse. I think it is also an important point in terms of tendencies to polarize (for instance, white and black) as well as certain social and historical implications that it quietly asserts. In fact, if one were to truly look at the Cryer family, it would be somewhat assumptive to classify the family as white, rather than seeing their multi-ethic appearing members. The casting directors could have easily chosen cast members that looked distinctly white if they wanted to show polar opposites from a racial perspective. In addition, referring to the cast as multiracial with a hyperlink to 'multiracial' could be misleading: each of the cast members are not multiracial but rather the cast is ethnically diverse.

I would like to edit the content to include proper citation. Following is a draft for inclusion, which can be removed post-production.

The show's cast is racially and ethnically diverse. Superficially and possibly mistakenly, the Cryers and Harrigntons, the two upper class families, could respectively be contrasted as Caucasian American and African American to fit a polar model. However, the richness in diversity of the Cryer family includes Jim Cryer who is Caucasian (of European descent) and referenced as white on the show and Katheryn Cryer who appears to be of mixed heritage to include Caucasian (white) and African (black) descent regardless of the ethnicity of Renee Lawless who plays Katheryn Cryer. Katheryn Cryer's ethnicity is not emphasized on the show but to the extent of her appearance, she is multiracial of mixed African American heritage. In selecting the intended cast, there are definitive phenotypical differences between Katheryn Cryer and members of the cast such as Maggie Day or Jim Cryer who distinctly look Caucasian.

Such racial or ethnic identification amongst an ethnically diverse cast also has historical, social, and constructual implications. With the show taking place in the South, the character, Katheryn Cryer, could be Redbone, which depicts an ethnicity; and, the term has also been used to describe a person of African American descent with a light, near white complexion. The show's setting in the South implicates the Southern history of racial mixing that started during slavery and also exposes its audience to certain historical notions of individuals with African descent whom might have chosen to “pass” as white Caucasian to exercise various freedoms and secure higher socioeconomic positions or evade negative consequences of the one-drop-rule and hypodescent. On a flip side, it also indicates that Caucasian may not necessary mean a person is not without an ethnic mixture or even a trace of an African blood line.

The cast is diverse in terms of inclusion of racial minorities and other ethnicities; however, the predominant cast is African American or of African American descent. Per the list of cast and characters, at least 70% of the characters playing a main role in the series are clearly, phenotypically of African, African American, or black descent. Katheryn Cryer represents an ethnic bridge and racial overpass even as a social construct between all of the featured families. Consequently, given the predominant ethnic composition of the surrounding cast and race as a social construct as well as the historical setting in the South and overtones of socioeconomic gain integrated in the show, a declaration on the show that Katheryn Cryer is white would only leave an innuendo of an individual of mixed heritage and African descent inadvertently or intentionally passing as white, based on her ethnic appearance. Should Katheryn Cryer indeed be of African heritage as she appears, then the ethnic diversity of the cast would extend a rich ethnic display of African ancestry: at least 85% of the portrayed cast would have African ancestry.

The diversity of cast extends further: the daughter of Jim and Katheryn Cryer, Amanda Cryer, for instance, has a multi-ethnic appearance and hence portrays a multiracial individual with predominant Caucasian ancestry who acquired African ancestry from her mother, Katheryn Cryer. Then the less economically affluent family, the Young family, is African American. In addition, Celine Gonzales, the mother of children unclaimed by Jim Cryer, who was paid over $200,000 annually to work as a maid for the Cryer family and stay silent about all familiar affairs in the Cryer household is Hispanic. Incidentally on the show, Jim Cryer seems to have a strong affinity and pattern towards having relationships with women of color (whom are of African or Hispanic descent) to include Candace Young, Jennifer Sallison, Celine Gonzales, and Katheryn Cryer but appears to just very much like women indiscriminate of race.

ThomasVBrown (talk) 18:15, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Season 1

Episode guide on the official OWN site is reporting that there is no second season yet. It lists the episode that aired on Tuesday as S01E17. Should the article be updated? – Recollected • 17:30, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm not seeing anything about seasons at the link you've provided. I do not see "SO1." Can you direct me to where exactly this quote is at the link you've provided. All I'm seeing at the link you as far as the most recent episode is "Episode 117: The Black Sedan" and "Aired: 01/07/2014." Nothing about the seasons is referenced. AmericanDad86 (talk) 00:34, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Character details

Was it really necessary to remove the details of the characters? The details and information on the characters were removed and replaced with a timeline table. But it makes more sense to keep both the timeline table and details of the characters, like in other articles of characters. It should be reverted back. Zhyboo (talk) 18:18, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

warlock

Warlock appeared in season 2 as a guest and in season 3 he was a recurring character, so he should be under season 2 and 3 as guest and recurring, not just under season 4 Zhyboo (talk) 00:20, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Table of characters

I really need someone to help me edit this table of cast members. I don't know how, I tried to do it, but can someone just fix it for me, please??? Zeedavis (talk) 22:06, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Please help me

I'm tired of trying to get the character table set up, without any help. I edit with my phone, since my computer needs fixinh, which makes it hard to edit everything. So someone help. Zhyboo (talk) 22:07, 2 May 2016 (UTC)