Talk:The Howard School, Kent

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Impersonal descriptions of the Subjects required

All contributions about what students at the Howard School can or will study need to be impersonal:
Instead of: "You'll be studying either modern art, fine art or..." As if this article addresses prospective Year 6 students joining the school during this upcoming September,
the article needs to read: "Student study either modern art, fine art or..."

BetacommandBot (talk) 15:01, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Hardware Section

It has poor spelling and sounds to me as if they're begging for equipment to be donated. Turton7 (talk) 18:13, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Turton, are you American? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.72.40.108 (talk) 06:15, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

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DEAR ATLANTA PEOPLE,

BUGGER OFF AND MAKE YOUR OWN PAGE!!! THE HOWARD SCHOOL, RAINHAM, GILLINGHAM, KENT, MEDWAY, ENGLAND, UNITED KINGDOM WERE THE FIRST TO CLAIM: "THE HOWARD SCHOOL" . HOW DARE YOU ERASE THE PAGE ABOUT THIS SCHOOL. THIS PAGE WILL BE LOCKED IN FAVOUR OF THE SECONDARY SCHOOL IN RAINHAM IF YOU EVER DO THIS AGAIN!!! YOU NEED TO START YOUR OWN PAGE NAMED: "ALANTA HOWARD SCHOOL" etc, 06:13, 6 November 2008‎ User:79.72.40.108

hello

hello, this is a cool school. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trosso (talk • contribs) 13:39, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

indeed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.72.23.121 (talk) 03:08, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

for crying out loud teachers!!!

try to remember this is wikipedia and not a prospectus!!! that means you don't refer to the readers of this, you can't use the word "you", in particular a member of the public is going to first notice this when it comes to reading about the subjects, art reads: In Years 7, 8 and 9 you learn the basics of Art like how to draw a face/person and make a self portrait at the end of the module. You also l.....etc.....i rest my case...plese tidy it up...it makes our school look retarded and our teaches look retarted if they can't maintain a proper wikipedia artical —Preceding unsigned comment added by MACHINAENIX (talk • contribs) 19:35, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Mistakes

There are some basic spelling and grammar mistakes in this article, you need to sort this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lukep88 (talk • contribs) 21:26, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Page moves

I find it astonishing that none of the recent page Moves and merges have been discussed or referenced on this talk page. I have to say that the current article title does not follow any of the standard naming/disambiguation schemes in use in UK schools. Nowhere in the UK disambiguation canon do we use (<town>, <county>, <constituent_country>). I'd suggest the best name for this article would be The Howard School, Kent and feel it should be moved there ASAP. Head-it-behind (talk) 16:57, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

I agree fully that the current name is not ideal. I hope you understand the reason for the move - that the original creator of The Howard School which was about a school in the USA, got rather pissed off that in 2008 another editor kicked his article out and replaced it with details of the school in Kent. He didn't go about the move the right way, so an admin took over and instead of stopping at restoring the status quo, carried on (understandably) to fix the article names. So my advice would be to propose a new name, compliant with the relevant wikiproject guidelines, and see if consensus can be gained for a move. As for your proposed name, The Howard School, Kent that would be wrong as the school is in the Medway local authority, so instead it should be The Howard School, Medway, or even The Howard School (Medway) --Bob Re-born (talk) 19:43, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

it wouldn't use Medway as a disambiguation because Medway is never used in addresses. It is not used in any other dab situations? Have a look at the schools in {{schools_in_Kent}}. None are disambiguated in such a manner. All disambiguation uses either the posttown (Rainham) or the ceremonial county (Kent). There are 2 disambiguation formats used - the comma (as in The King's School, Canterbury) and the parentheses (as in Ursuline College (Westgate-on-Sea)). These should really be standardised to a single format and, as the comma is more common, that would be the preferred format. As there is also a place called Rainham in Essex, it would be simpler if the county was used as this case, so The Howard School, Kent would be preferred. I still don't understand hy The Howard School is now a redirect to a dab page. This school is most obviously the primary subject for that article name. Head-it-behind (talk) 20:49, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

And btw, the original article stub was about the school in Rainham and had nothing to do with the US Head-it-behind (talk) 21:07, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

The move to The Howard School, Kent has been completed. Head-it-behind (talk) 21:19, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

The move has been undone. Per WP:BRD, you were bold, I reverted, now this needs further discussion. Let's reach consensus on a name. Kent is not correct. --Bob Re-born (talk) 22:32, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

As for your comments about the history, that is because the page history now properly reflects the history of when this article was started (2008) and the original page history has been merged with that of the Atlanta school. There is always a huge problem created when someone does a copy-and-paste move - that's why the admin got involved following my request to sort it out. --Bob Re-born (talk) 22:45, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

If using "Kent" as the disambiguator is not correct, is it not correct for all the other schools in Kent that use that as well?

Hopefully one thing we can agree on is that the current article name "Howard School (Rainham, Kent, England)" is not what we want? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 01:11, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

I think that can be safely agreed on. However, the official name of the school is The Howard School (with the definite article) which makes the page move partially incorrect anyway. Based on some advice I was asked for here, which was neutral, I will now suggest that The Howard School, Kent is most probably the logical solution. That said, this article is not worth making a huge fuss about until all the copyvios and close paraphrasing have been cleaned up. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:32, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

My suggestion is The Howard School, Medway because it is not in the Kent local authority area, it is part of the Medway unitary authority area. --Bob Re-born (talk) 08:24, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Makes sense.

Here's a slightly tangential suggestion. Everyone who is already aware of the existence of the school will think of it as just "The Howard School", including most of the press sources likely to write about it (i.e. publications which are themselves based in the Medway towns thus wouldn't add ", Medway" to things.) This is the case here (and in other examples such as The Judd School) more so than with schools such as The King's School mentioned above, where mention of the city is much more natural (King's Canterbury is a redirect to the school, for example).

This is presumably because most people aware of King's Canterbury are aware that various other "King's" educational institutions exist, whereas most people aware of The Howard School aren't aware of the school by the same name in Atlanta (or the other ones.)

On this basis, The Howard School (Medway) would work better than The Howard School, Medway - the former is more clearly using Medway only as a disambiguator, whereas the latter makes it sound more as if Medway is part of the school name or sometimes used when referring to the school. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 12:42, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Actually I don't think it does make sense at all to develop a new dab mechanism for 1 particular school when there are plenty of tried and tested alternatives already in use in Kent and elsewhere around England. If you look at disambiguated schools in other unitary authorities, none of them, as far as I can see, use the unitary authority name in preference to either the town/city or the county. It doesn't happen in Kent. If you look slightly farther afield, say in Bath and North East Somerset, you'll see that both Royal High School, Bath and King Edward's School, Bath both use the city. Or the Cardinal Newman Catholic School (Hove) which uses the local town rather than Brighton and Hove. And the Fairfield High School (Widnes) doesn't use Halton or Borough of Halton. Does anyone really think that new article guidelines are going to suggest that we use the unitary authority as a disambiguator when no schools in England use it already? Actually, looking at the Bath schools, it seems that the 'Bath' part of the school article name does not need to be spelled out in full as XYZ School, Bath, Somerset even though Bath itself normally needs disambiguation. So this school could easily become The Howard School, Rainham if Kent was not an option. 91.125.67.223 (talk) 13:08, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Notability

Much of this very short article does not meet wiki notability guidelines. Is this all there is about this school?Plingsby (talk) 12:21, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

It doesn't really make sense to talk about parts of the contents of an article not meeting notability guidelines. It's the topic itself that needs to meet notability guidelines. Of course, you could make the point that the contents of the article at a particular time do not establish the notability of the topic, but that's a different argument (and not one that would be accepted at WP:AFD).

WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES suggests it is very likely that secondary schools will be kept at AFD, especially larger ones like this one. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:42, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Wasn't the school in the news?

I used to go to this school and I remember seeing it mentioned on "Have I Got News For You" of all things. I just now recalled the event and checked this page to refresh my memory but there's nothing mentioning what happened. Shouldn't this be included or is my memory playing tricks on me? Billpg (talk) 07:53, 8 July 2022 (UTC)