Talk:The Intelligent Investor

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Opening quote

24.131.83.79 04:28, 31 December 2006 (UTC)The opening quote from Warren Buffett is on the bookcover in the picture itelf

Date of publication

heyy. the date of publication is given as 1949, and the book contents are said to discuss 1972 stock markets. please change it. As far as my knowledge goes, the last edition released was in 1965. 13:12, 6 June 2007 Kplaws

Date of publication should be the first edition, so 1949 is good; see Template:Infobox Book. I added the word "first" to make things clearer. 216.123.197.3 01:28, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Stupid

Not many people are going to buy a book called "The intelligent Investor". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.4.21 (talk) 09:04, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Mr. Market

I changed under the few sentences referring to Mr. Market, the hyperlinked Market from the page Market to the page Stock market in the form [[stock market|Market]]. If anyone thinks this wasn't the right page, and that market was better, please leave a note here, and I'll check back. Regards, 75.179.6.2 (talk) 16:22, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Serenitystocks.com spam

Besides being spammed, the link is promotional. If the dynamic ip continues to edit-war, I'll request partial protection. --Ronz (talk) 19:50, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Looks like the links were originally to anahin.net, then changed. The ips are almost all from Bangalore and include:

• Chinaque (talk · contribs)
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--Ronz (talk) 20:25, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

serenitystocks.com is a site dedicated to the study and application of Benjamin Graham's principles and The Intelligent Investor.

(please see edit and comment accepted by User:Sailsbystars on 06:22, 24 July 2013)

Graham's teachings are often misrepresented today, and serenitystocks has played a significant role in promoting the correct application of Graham's methods (e.g. seekingalpha.com/article/1709112).

The edits by User:Chinaque etc seem to have been maliciously done, specifically to portray the serenitystocks links as spam and get them removed. For example:

1. Changing "The Intelligent Investor applied" to "Check How You Can See The Intelligent Investor applied"

2. Adding an obviously duplicate link on the Benjamin Graham page, etc.

The wikipedia editors are thus kindly requested to add/restore the following cautionary notes and links:

(published external links have been provided for authenticity, instead of direct serenitystocks.com links)

1. The Using The Graham Number Correctly cautionary note on the Graham number page.

2. The Analysts Continue To Use Wrong Benjamin Graham Formula cautionary note on the Benjamin Graham formula page.

3. And optionally, the Investing For Beginners With Benjamin Graham informational link on The Intelligent Investor and Benjamin Graham pages.

Last but not least, making this talk page entry less hostile towards serenitystocks would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you!

Serenitystocks (talk) 16:35, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

As required by the Wikipedia:Username policy, I'll be using this username henceforth instead of User:Serenitystocks. Thank you!

CaptMalR (talk) 19:01, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

It is now four days since I have posted my first comment here as User:Serenitystocks. While I did get an immediate warning from User:Ronz that User:Serenitystocks did not satisfy the Wikipedia:Username policy policy, I have not received any response on the issue itself. I'm sharing some additional information about the above three links:

1. Analysts Continue To Use Wrong Benjamin Graham Formula is the 2nd result on Google for Benjamin Graham formula.

2. Investing For Beginners With Benjamin Graham is the 2nd result on Google for Benjamin Graham for beginners.

3. Using The Graham Number Correctly is the 6th result on Google for Graham number.

These warnings and links are extremely relevant to the said subjects. Withholding them from readers seems to be against the best interests of both readers and Wikipedia itself.

Lastly, Wikipedia:Welcome unregistered editing says editing without a username "is perfectly acceptable, and in fact, is very much welcomed". Please differentiate between Good Faith edits (with comments) done anonymously, and the malicious spamming done by User:Chinaque; and kindly make this talk page entry less hostile towards serenitystocks.

Thank you!

CaptMalR (talk) 01:35, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

My concerns are: Are these reliable sources? Is it worth noting these perspectives per WP:NPOV (especially WP:DUE), which usually means have they been covered by sources that are both reliable and independent? --Ronz (talk) 17:31, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

joshuakennon.com is a private blog with a negligible Google ranking on the subject, but has been accepted as a reference on Benjamin Graham formula. Seekingalpha is a mainstream financial website (WP:RS) where articles are reviewed by professional editors and thousands of financial users (WP:NPOV). Seekingalpha's articles on these subjects are also ranked far higher in relevance by Google, as described above. Isn't Google ranking one of the most accurate measures of WP:DUE?

I have already shared all the pertinent information on this issue. My intention was only to improve the quality of these wikipedia pages, caution readers and clear serenitystocks' name.

I would like to request the other Editors involved in this incident such as User:Ponyo, User:Billinghurst and User:Sailsbystars to kindly have a look at this discussion. I will leave it to the Editors and readers to decide for themselves if these references should be included in these pages.

Thank you! -- CaptMalR (talk) 12:52, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm unaware of Google ranking being used to evaluate sources. Instead, independent sources are used, as I noted.

Yes, I'd like to get some other editors to weigh in. --Ronz (talk) 21:48, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

I am away from the moment and away from the tools that make my search tools to find whether it has been blacklisted or not. I would think that there would be a very limited subset of pages at the site that would be acceptable, and they would be acceptable to probably only the biographical article. That said, the site is non-authoritative, little citation, and a limited set of sources, and would be seen to have a vested interest. I would prefer a better set of resources than this site. If the person is that notable, these other sources should exist. WP:RS seems appropriate here. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:59, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't think a stock picker is an appropriate thing to link to from an encyclopedia, in general. The closest policy based reason I can find is in WP:ELNO #2 "Any site that misleads the reader by use of factually inaccurate material or unverifiable research, except to a limited extent in articles about the viewpoints that the site is presenting." The research on serenitystocks is unverifiable, and the seeking alpha article about it is self-authored, so it doesn't demonstrate verifiability. That aside, even if it were verifiable, it shouldn't be included, in my humble opinion. As an encyclopedia we shouldn't look like we're endorsing any method of picking stocks. Sailsbystars (talk) 14:24, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Additions

I am planning on adding new sections to this article and revising some of the current information in the next few weeks. My main addition that I want to add is an analysis section that describes the main points from the book. The analysis section would include the Mr. Market section already in the article and two new sections discussing Value Investing and Determining Value. I think the analysis section will help teach readers the fundamental lessons from the book that are not currently mentioned. I also plan on adding a reception section in order to give more information on how the book was received and the effects it has had in the investing world. I will revise the lead section to map out these new sections in order to bring the article closer within Wikipedia's guidelines. I currently have 11 sources from which I will cite these new additions, which I believe will make the article more balanced and reputable as there are currently few sources for the article. Here is a link to my annotated bibliography with the sources. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jhyde127/The_Intelligent_Investor Jhyde127 (talk) 15:59, 5 December 2020 (UTC)