Talk:The Kinks' 1965 US tour

Feedback from New Page Review process

I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Okay, now that's a tour article. Well done.

Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:14, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Decatur, Illinois show (22 June 1965)

The Kinks at Kintner Gymnasium in Decatur, Illinois, 22 June 1965

In Doug Hinman's day-by-day guide, The Kinks: All Day and All of the Night, he writes that 22 June 1965 marked "A day off in Chicago, the first break on the tour" (p. 58). While researching, I found a blogpost indicating that the Kinks actually played a show that night in Decatur, Illinois. The blogpost include a photograph of the band purportedly taken that night, and I have also found a poster advertising the concert. Blogposts and posters do not make for reliable sources, and after all, many shows were cancelled before the tour began. Hinman mentions which shows were cancelled, but perhaps he forgot to mention this one?

I went to Newspapers.com and I found an article in the 22 June issue of the Decatur Herald, stating that the show was scheduled to take place that night at 8 pm at Kintner Gymnasium. I found another article in the following day's paper, this time recounting the concert, which apparently drew 2,000 attendees. Not only that, it includes the photo of the band from the blogpost. And without a copyright notice too! Meaning it is now public domain. I guess Hinman missed this concert in his research. I added this information to the page. Tkbrett (✉) 16:37, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@Tkbrett Hello. The Kinks performed an afternoon show at Kintner Gym in Decatur, Illinois, on June 22. I was there. I carried Dave Davies' Gretch Country Gentleman guitar (not a Guild) from their bus to the gym and hung out with them before and after the show. I was 15. the Springfield show was that evening. 71.211.140.105 (talk) 20:29, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that due to events during the Kinks' 1965 US tour, the US musicians' union blocked the band from American performance for the next four years? Source: Doyle, Mark (2020). The Kinks: Songs of the Semi-Detached. London: Reaktion Books. ISBN 978-1-78914-254-9. p. 68–69: "The second factor that pushed Davies's songwriting in new directions was the blacklisting of the Kinks by the American Federation of Musicians (AFM) after a disastrous three-week tour of America in the summer of 1965. ... It would be four years before the Kinks were able to return to America."
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Improved to Good Article status by Tkbrett (talk). Self-nominated at 12:07, 5 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/The Kinks' 1965 US tour; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• Article is neutral, meets the required length, and is sufficiently referenced and free of copyvio. Improved to Good Article status on the same day as this nomination. Hook is interesting, succinct, and referenced—it's always a good idea to add some ALTs, but this one is interesting enough that it shouldn't matter. QPQ looks good. This is good to go! – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 00:59, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Equipment on tour

I had hoped to nail down the Kinks' equipment on the tour, but the lack of anything comparable to Andy Babiuk's Beatles Gear book makes it rather difficult.

Sources generally only talk about Dave's original custom black Guild guitar (the one you see in the Decatur photo above) and how i was lost when the band flew into LAX. Doug Hinman specifies that Dave learned it was lost on 28 June during an interview with Rod Alan Barker for KEWB Magazine (p. 59). To replace it, Dave went out to an LA music store and bought a Gibson Flying V. Every source I have read says that Dave's Gibson made its debut on Shindig!, which was taped on 1 July. But now for the original research ... Hinman mentions that the Kinks' 3 July show at the Hollywood Bowl was captured on silent eight-millimetre film and that short excerpts of which were sold through ads in teen magazines (p. 60). Someone posted the film on YouTube, and if you look at Dave (at right), he is still playing the black Guild guitar, not the Gibson Flying V. Curious.

Another thing mentioned by numerous sources is that Dave needed to replace his lost Guild guitar quickly because the Kinks did not carry spare guitars on tour. Dave states as much on his website, and this has been reported in books and magazine articles. Now for more original research ... In a blog post about one of the local Illinois support acts on the tour, there is a picture of Dave holding a Gibson SG. This would contradict the "only one guitar" claim. I thought that perhaps Dave was holding the other musicians' guitar, but you never see it in any of the other images on that blog post. Weirdly, Dave never mentions ever owning an SG on his website's list of guitars, though I don't think the list is meant to be exhaustive, as it omits the black Guild.

Obviously the above two issues are not usable in the article as they stray into original research, but I thought it worth mentioning anyway lest these points be lost to history. I'd appreciate if anyone could point me to reliable sources discussing bands' gear. Tkbrett (✉) 16:05, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 October 2023

Regarding this sentence in the last paragraph of the "Background" section of the article, "Tensions within the group were more elevated than usual following a violent inter-band dispute on 19 May at a concert in Cardiff, Wales, where Avory struck Dave in the head with a hi-hat stand," a fight between members of the same band is an INTRA-band fight, not inter-band, which would be between two or more bands. 75.118.14.168 (talk) 00:45, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

 Done. Thank you. Tkbrett (✉) 00:51, 23 October 2023 (UTC)