Talk:The Liquor Store/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Gerald Waldo Luis (talk · contribs) 06:27, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

I've been jogging and sailing and flying, and landed here. Way to go on the restaurant GAs! Willing to see this be a GT. I hope to finish this review before Chinese New Year. GeraldWL 06:27, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Gerald Waldo Luis, Thanks! Yes, methinks some XLB dumplings may be in order! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:33, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Another Believer, believe it or not, I never made XLBs, let alone eat. It looks alluring though! Even in my city with a huge amount of ethnic Chinese, it looks like PDX has more Chinese restaurants. Would love to see how things work there-- heard they have a special custom. GeraldWL 15:47, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Gerald Waldo Luis, I've been obsessed with XLB since visiting Shanghai (I've been to China three times). Portland has a great food scene, as you can see from your many restaurant reviews, but I wish our Chinatown was more vibrant. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:54, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Another Believer, not gon' lie, the Chinatown in Portland looks funny. Givin' some Texas vibes, if I'm allowed to stereotype. GeraldWL 16:00, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Gerald Waldo Luis, Well, I'm from Texas originally, so you just might see some Texas restaurant articles at GAN, too. :) ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:54, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Lead and infobox

So as usual I'm just gonna look at the prose first. Then I'll further look at the criteria.

• "...playing a variety of genres but especially electronic music." I think but here means except, right? So it means that they play a variety of genres... expect electronic music? If so, I don't think this is needed-- no bands play all music genres. GeraldWL 15:00, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
• "...The Liquor Store confirmed plans to close permanently in September 2020." Updates? We're in 2021. GeraldWL 15:00, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I've addressed both with this edit. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:06, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Description

• "The Liquor Store was a bar, restaurant, and music venue in southeast Portland's Sunnyside neighborhood." bar, restaurant, and music venue are linked in the lead. Should it here? For consistency sake. GeraldWL 15:40, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

   Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:42, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

• "The newspaper's Jay Horton and AP Kryza"-- Should AP be itself or A.P.? GeraldWL 15:40, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

  Their name is listed as 'AP Kryza'. I think we should use as presented. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:43, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

• Link pied-à-terre? GeraldWL 15:40, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

   Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:43, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

• "Eater Portland's Cooper Green described the bar as an " ultra-hip spot""-- space in quotes. GeraldWL 15:40, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

   Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:44, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

• Suggest paraphrasing paraphrasable quotes, to have less copyright mindfuck. I see alot of paraphrasable quotes. GeraldWL 15:40, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
• Link happy hour and liqueur? GeraldWL 15:40, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

  Happy hour is linked in 3rd paragraph of description section. Linked liqueur. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:45, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

History

• "Owner Ray Morrone opened The Liquor Store in February 2015". Cite 11 is enough to support this, no need for 13. GeraldWL 15:40, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

   Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:52, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Events

• "The venue also began hosting the weekly comedy show 'Earthquake Hurricane'." Aren't shows italicized? If so, then Earthquake Hurricane must be italicized. GeraldWL 16:10, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

   Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:12, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

• "Mixmag's Kelly Cramer said SubSensory showcased"-- repetitive. Maybe change to "The latter, according to Mixmag's Kelly Cramer, showcased"? GeraldWL 16:10, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

   Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:13, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

• "The bar hosted the monthly jazz series Daniel Rossi Presents, as of 2019." No need for comma here, I think. GeraldWL 16:10, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

  I prefer commas before "as of" statements. I have, however, italicized other events throughout the section for consistency. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:14, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

• "Willamette Week's Donovan Farley described the series as "boundary-pushing" and "affordable", successfully accomplishing the goals"-- this is something that the Reception section would welcome more. Speaking of Reception, I'm throwing this idea: what if the section is divided to three paragraphs (one about the bar, one about the resto, and one about the venue)? GeraldWL 16:10, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

  I'm going to push back here. I'd prefer to keep a single reception section, since it's not very long, and I'd like to keep the content focused on the venue as a whole as opposed to specific events. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:17, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

  Another Believer, well it just feels slightly unrelated (the section is about the events and not opinions). But if you prefer so, that's okay and doesn't affect the GAN. GOCE may bring this up though (you never know what the copyeditor may do). GeraldWL 16:24, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

  Gerald Waldo Luis, Yup, I understand. Thanks for not being too strict here and understanding there may be some changes to the article by editors over time but letting the prose be 'good enough' for GA. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:51, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

  Another Believer, I've never been strict in editing, and nobody should! GeraldWL 17:01, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Closure

• "...awsuits in Multnomah County Circuit Court alleging"-- Link Multnomah County Courthouse? GeraldWL 16:13, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

  I'd prefer not since another option would be Multnomah County Central Courthouse. Best not to link to one over the other since the buildings are not being referenced specifically. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:19, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

• Linking workplace, assault, sexual assault, and sexual harassment seems like WP:OVERLINK to me. GeraldWL 16:13, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

  I think people are more familiar with bar, restaurant, and music venue, so if we're linking to those then I think we should also link to these, which may be less familiar to people. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:20, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Reception

• Learned a lot since my first GA review. I suggest giving WP:RECEPTION a read. The section has a lot of "A x B" stuff, which makes it repetitive. Try twisting things-- seems impossible, but you'll not regret the copyedited result. GeraldWL 15:40, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

  Gerald Waldo Luis, I've made one minor edit, but in general I am comfortable with the current wording. I will also be requesting a copy edit from the Guild of Copy Editors as soon as possible, so the reviewing editor may also tweak a thing or two. Hopefully the current prose is GA-worthy at least. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:56, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

See also, external links

• Add the Food, drink, and music portal? GeraldWL 15:40, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

   Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:50, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

• Archive the Willamette source? GeraldWL 15:40, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

  Gerald Waldo Luis, I don't usually see archive links in EL sections. Also, if this link ever "dies", can be retrieved or left off the page since does not contain critical information. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:50, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Overall

Sorry for the wait, Another Believer! Chinese New Year was definitely a distraction. Anyway, I'm happy to elect this to GA! I do see the AFD though, and I have no opinions on the worthiness of the inclusion-worthiness of this article. As Hog Farm pointed it out, GAs don't determine notability, and consensus can change. Enough with the small-talk, nice effort on improving Portland articles! GeraldWL 08:34, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:39, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

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