Talk:The Man and The Journey

History/Notability

I was under the impression that The Man and the Journey was a concept that never fully materialized, but was performed live for an entire tour. Kind of like a live compilation concept album. The notability of the Amsterdam show is only that it is the Man/Journey performance that is most commonly bootlegged (by far). This could and should be a much more informative article than it presently is. Some help from an expert would be great. --Alcuin 13:23, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

It was definitely a fully materialized concept, it was just one they never bothered to record. There isn't much information about it - most notably, about what the band thought about the project - but it clearly, at some point, just became the source material for much of Ummagumma (including "Biding My Time", recorded but not put onto the album) and More. Part of it may have been that concepts such as building a table onstage during "Work" which they then took tea at wouldn't translate well to a studio album; it might have been they didn't think anyone would have been interested in a long concept piece, so channeled the material into other projects. Unfortunately, I can't find much source material for improvement; even Schaffner, who of course mentions it, just says that most of the material made it into the studio in different forms. The article could definitely be improved upon, but there's not a whole lot of source material from which to improve it. I'll try to put some work into it in the next little while, now that the rush on Pink Floyd and Syd Barrett in the wake of his death have calmed down. - dharmabum 03:46, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Without finding a reliable source for the background and reason for The Man and the Journey we can't really do much. Own research and speculation aren't allowed on Wikipedia. The Man and the Journey wasn't always played at every night on the tour either – for instance, Ummagumma was recorded during the tour (the live portion) which contains "Astronomy Domine", "Careful with That Axe, Eugene", "Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun", and "A Saucerful of Secrets'; "Astronomy" and "Controls" were not part of the The Man and the Journey, and only the last section of "Secrets" ("Celestial Voices") was; plus "Eugene", when performed as "Beset by Creatures of the Deep" for The Man and the Journey, omitted the spoken line "Careful with that axe, Eugene" for obvious reasons. However, during shows where they didn't perform it as The Man and the Journey all of these elements were present. – Dyolf87 (talk) 16:36, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Is this the right track listing? ive found other sources which suggest it was different to this.

Sort of. There were many different track lists. This is the correct track list from the Amsterdam show. Other shows have other track lists, as noted in the article. --Helioshockwave 23:39, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

The songs like "Grantchester Meadows", "Green Is the Colour", "Careful With that Axe, Eugene" are all clearly identifiable, but pieces like "Doing It" where it is suggested that it's bits of "The Grand Vizier's Garden Party" or "Up the Khyber" are just speculative approximations with no authority behind them. – Dyolf87 (talk) 16:28, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 02:50, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Waters -- Teatime

I remember seeing a Roger Waters live DVD several years ago (late 90s?) where he and the band members were served tea on stage. Does anyone have access to this DVD and know what connection that section of the show might have to "The Man and the Journey"? It seems like too much a coincidence to not have some relationship. Genesiswinter (talk) 03:14, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Sample track list

I changed some edits made today, but I don't really know the details of this piece, so please check and make sure I haven't inadvertantly changed something I shouldn't. I found it confusing that the track list claims to be from "the Amsterdam show" (implying there was only one), and then further states that a show on a certain date containes alternate sections. Is that alternate date a different Amsterdam show? Does an explicit show need to be mentioned, or can we just say some performances had one section, and others replaced it with another, which is how it reads now. When editing, please take care to use the correct date format (dd mmm yyyy), use double quotes around song titles and italics around album titles, and avoid abbreviating titles unless using the same title twice in one sentence (and even then, consider avoiding abbreviations). --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 04:52, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Sample track list is now redundant

The release of The Early Years 1965–1972 in 2016 has rendered the sample track list redundant as the set contains the Amsterdam show on CD. Therefore, there is no need to list studio/other live tracks as approximations as to how the show was performed. I propose removing it entirely and keeping the track list of the 2016 CD in its place. – Dyolf87 (talk) 11:31, 12 November 2020 (UTC) EDIT: I plan to make this change if there are no objections after seven days of the original proposal. – Dyolf87 (talk) 10:45, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Agree I approve of this change - we do not need it now.

Done. Please do not change without discussion. – Dyolf87 (talk) 06:35, 19 November 2020 (UTC)