Talk:The Mask (1994 film)/Archive 1

Synopsis at The Mask

2013 This synopsis is a actually bigger. PrometheusX303 06:04, 2 July 2006

Song played in the Coco Bongo

I take it upthe batty Do anyone happen to know what is the name of the song played in the Coco Bongo when the Mask "rocks the joint"? 89.139.206.201 07:05, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

"Hey Pachuco". It's listed in the article under Soundtrack.--Geoduck 17:57, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 19:52, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

this is the only J. Carrey's movie who is one of the best movies of all time...without this role he would be an ordinary actor and not a superstar —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.151.173.242 (talk) 16:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Milo dog bread?

What bread of dog is Milo? Jasonauk (talk) 23:42, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I hope you mean breed. ;-) He's a Russell Terrier (american name, called elsewhere "Jack Russell Terrier". -- megA (talk) 20:28, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

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Michael Fallon (writer)

Just a hunch, but I'm suspecting that Michael Fallon probably wasn't a writer. At least not the Minister of Parliament that the link points to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.119.9.143 (talk) 20:00, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Dick Tracy

How come there's no mention of the movie and/or character of Dick Tracy in the entire article, when the Mask is shown on the poster unmistakably wearing the trademark Dick tracy yellow hat and suit??? Someone should at least note somewhere that the yellow suit is straight from Dick Tracy, I'm sure it doesn't fall under original research to do so.. For educational purposes to movie fans, if nothing else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.38.155.71 (talk) 23:48, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Ironically, the Mask only wears the yellow zoot-suit once in the movie. 207.216.208.68 (talk) 01:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Smokin

How is it possible that this article at no point mentions the word "smokin'"? I'm not sure where it would be put in, but, come on, that's the most famous word in the movie. 71.77.52.3 (talk) 05:31, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

If you can think of a way to fit the phrase into the article in a natural way, without it feeling shoehorned or hamfisted, then by all means. --H Hog (talk)

Nomination of Dorian Tyrell and Niko for deletion

I have nominated the above two for deletion because I think they are not significant enough to have their own articles. See the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dorian Tyrell (3nd nomination) and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Niko (The Mask). Input is appreciated. Cheers, theFace 17:38, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Alternative ending

All but one of the votes have been 'delete', so I assume the two articles I mentioned above will not pass. Apart from cruft, Dorian Tyrell and Niko (The Mask) both contain (or contained) two almost identical paragraphs about a scrapped Mask cartoon episode. I have merged that information into The Mask: The Animated Series, see here. Furthermore, Dorian Tyrell contained at least one more useful thing: a paragraph (albeit unsourced) about an alternative ending for the The Mask movie. I don't know exactly what to do with it, but I'll save it from deletion by copy-pasting it here:

====Early Draft Death====
In the early draft of the film, Dorian Tyrell's death occurs differently. Instead of being flushed down the drain by Loki Ipkiss' powers, Dorian Loki Tyrell actually attacks the Coco Bongo in the middle of the night. After killing Niko and his gangsters, Tyrell allows the innocent customers and his men to evacuate the casino before the bomb explodes. However, before the explosion, the sun rises and shines on Tyrell. Due to Loki being a Norse Night God, the mask pops off Tyrell's face returning him to his original form. Unable to escape the casino in time, Tyrell is killed when the bomb explodes.

I wonder where this info came from. Cheers, theFace 18:01, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

"The Mask 2" announcement and contest

Apparently when The Mask's sequel was first announced (before it got canned), contests were held to be an extra in the movie, or to be present during filming. The article already mentions such a contest being held by Nintendo power, but I could swear I remember another such contest being held and advertised on TV; most likely by Cartoon Network. Does anyone else remember this, and can they verify that it wasn't just a figment of my imagination? --H Hog (talk) 00:39, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Can't make the scene if you don't have the green

Can't make the scene if you don't have the green does not satisfy WP:GNG notability guidelines. Wikipedia is not a dictionary (slang, pop culture, urban or otherwise), the phrase has no significance outside of the movie (no matter who's said it in real life) and this phrase should, if kept at all, be redirected to The Mask (film) with {{R from phrase}} or {{R from quotation}}, which would likely be the end result of any AFD discussion. --Animalparty-- (talk) 01:20, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

I support merge, not redirect. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 12:27, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

I don't think defining the phrase or the context it's used in adds any value to an encyclopedia, and falls under trivia. --Animalparty-- (talk) 14:32, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

--Animalparty--, since no one else seems to be eager to participate in the discussion, I suggest we should just go ahead and merge. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 22:21, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Sounds good, I've redirected it: however, there is no content supported by reliable sources to justify unique discussion about the phrase itself. See Identifying reliable sources. This source is just some guys talking about movies. This source is anonymous users on a forum, which is not reliable per WP:USERGENERATED. IMDB Quotes is similarly a user-generated source, and only establishes that the quote exists (watching the film itself does this), but there is no evidence that the phrase itself has received substantial coverage from decent sources, and until such sources are found to justify inclusion it is simply trivia fluff that is better left to fan sites. All the best, and thanks for helping make Wikipedia better. --Animalparty-- (talk) 23:21, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

To the article's defense, there is a [Quotations from film and television] category on Wikipedia. I personally haven't heard this phrase used too often, but then again, I'm not much of a partygoer. I suppose I'm 'late to the party' on this decision, but for the merit of there being a category on WP to accommodate the article to begin with, this one might've held some value in keeping. --H Hog (talk) 11:22, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 21 May 2017

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The result of the move request was: trainwreck. I'm calling no consensus to move on all films where there is good faith disagreement. They need be discussed individually if they are to be moved, and this closure is without prejudice against speedy individual renomination of those. That leaves You Only Live Once (film) and Last Man Standing (film), which have been moved. -- Tavix ^(talk) 15:56, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

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• The Mask (film) → The Mask (1994 film)
• Dennis the Menace (film) → Dennis the Menace (1993 film)
• You Only Live Once (film) → You Only Live Once (1937 film)
• Last Man Standing (film) → Last Man Standing (1996 film)
• Manhattan (film) → Manhattan (1979 film)
• Vampires (film) → Vampires (1998 film)

– In all 6 WP:NCF applies (The Mask (1961 film) / Dennis the Menace (1987 film) / You Only Live Once (1952 film) / Last Man Standing (1987 film) / Manhattan (1924 film) / Vampires (1986 film)), and they can be listed at WP:RMT. However, incoming links won't be fixed. I neither have time right now to fix them if I move them. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 15:29, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

• support all. Seems non-controversial. Argento Surfer (talk) 13:06, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
• Support, good finds, nice work. Randy Kryn 14:01, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
• Support for last four, Oppose for The Mask & Dennis the Menace. I know some people prefer to enforce the NCF guideline rigorously everywhere, but there are editors who prefer to let one topic keep the simpler disambiguator if there's a gargantuan difference in relevance. The 1961 The Mask is a totally unreferenced stub, and the 1987 Dennis The Menace is a 4-sentence stub about a made-for-TV "movie" with a broken link in the references and an imdb link with a mere 6 user reviews. Their notability is so tiny that they don't factor into disambiguation concerns IMO. SnowFire (talk) 16:00, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

• Edit: Sure, I'll switch to oppose for Vampires as well, or at least "wait until we see if the other Vampires film is prod'd off." SnowFire (talk) 13:19, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose for The Mask, Dennis the Menace, Manhattan – as SnowFire pointed out, rigid application of NCF violates common sense. A reader, searching for these three films and encountering their entry in the suggestions provided by the search box, expects to be taken to the current articles of those names, not to a disambiguation page. Note that the principles of WP:NCF#Between films of the same name are not applied in all projects; some extend WP:PRIMARYTOPIC to include a disambiguator. I also note that the guideline template at NCF says: "... that editors should attempt to follow, though it is best treated with common sense, and occasional exceptions may apply." I think that applies to these three titles. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 02:47, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
• Support per WP:NCF. If the film Manhattan was the primary topic, it would simply be at Manhattan. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 06:50, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose for the 1998 Vampires per WP:NCF#Between films of the same name—the 1998 film has a well-known director, John Carpenter; it has a well-known lead actor, James Woods, nominated for two academy awards for other performances; it opened # 1 at the U.S. box office, it opened on 1800 screens in the U.S.; it had a domestic gross over $20,000,000 US; and it had reviews in the Chicago Sun-Times (Ebert) and The New York Times (Van Gelder). The 1986 Vampires, barely leaving a trace on the Internet, had, in the way of notability, well...what? When a reader come to Wikipedia to find information, that reader expects to find an article. The overwhelming majority of readers looking for a film entitled Vampires will expect to find the 1998 film. Vampires, per WP:NCF, is correctly positioned to best serve our readers, as well as best complying with the relevant Wikipedia guideline. — Neonorange (talk) 05:03, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
• Support all per WP:NCF. If these aren't the primary topic, they should be fully disambiguated. kennethaw88 • talk 01:39, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
• Support all besides Dennis the Menace (film) and Vampires (film). Dennis the Menace (1987 film) was a stub and I could not find sufficient sources to say anything about it other than it existed and was later re-released on video after the more notable version came out, which isn't enough to establish notability. So I've redirected it to the appropriate section of Dennis the Menace (U.S. comics). Vampires (1986 film) similarly appears non-notable, so I've WP:PRODded it (if the article is improved, the 1998 film should indeed be moved). Several commenters above mention The Mask (1961 film); this does appear to be notable as there are sources available for improving it.[1][2][3] As such, both it, and the other films that have ambiguous names, should be moved per WP:INCDAB. Additionally, this is already implied, but all the (film) titles should redirect to the respective disambiguation pages.--Cúchullain ^t/c 18:01, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
• Support all besides Dennis the Menace (film) and Vampires (film) per Cúchullain's evaluation of the six "(film)" entries being considered. If we decide that all titles which lack unanimous agreement should be discussed as separate entries, then only You Only Live Once (film) and Last Man Standing (film) would be moved without any objections (as of this writing). —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 01:28, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

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Incomplete

This article is incomplete and is missing important information on the film's production which needs to be added to the article. The production section should be split into sub-sections that give significant information on the film's Development, Casting, Filming, and Visual Effects. All information should be given proper citations when added so that they meet Wikipiedia's guidelines and standards of a well developed and properly sourced article.--Paleface Jack (talk) 17:06, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Renaming article

Shouldn't this article be named The Mask (1994 film)? Because a horror film with the same name was released in 1961. This would prevent confusion. MatthewRC (talk) 14:23, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 12 July 2019

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The result of the move request was: moved (closed by non-admin page mover) DannyS712 (talk) 14:22, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

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The Mask (film) → The Mask (1994 film) – Regardless this is the most popular film, there are five other films. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 04:51, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

• Support per nomination. Incomplete disambiguation, thus should be considered an uncontroversial technical request. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 05:44, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
• Support per nom/Roman and WP:NCF. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 06:21, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
• Support per above. There is no primary for a disambiguated name. --Gonnym (talk) 06:50, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
• Support. Should've been obvious the last time...--Quiz shows 16:57, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
• Support per above, partial disambiguation. PC78 (talk) 20:29, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
• Support. More disambiguation is clearly needed. Rreagan007 (talk) 00:09, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
• Support per nomination. Uncontroversial technical request In ictu oculi (talk) 09:46, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

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