Talk:The Natural Step

TNS / FSSD Terminology

Ever since I first learned about The Natural Step, I have been puzzled by the use of the word 'systematically' in the System Conditions. Since the word means 'following a system' or 'methodically' as written, the system conditions which form the whole basis of this approach are stating that it would be acceptable if the build up of resources were done in a disorganized fashion.

Does anyone know if this is a mistranslation from the original Swedish? Would 'systemic' be a more accurate term?

I am not suggesting that Wikipedia can unilaterally modify the terminology used by the worldwide Natural Step movement, I am just hoping for illumination. Or, if others agree with me, Wikipedia could point out that the TNS System Conditions are oddly phrased.

--Texteditor (talk) 18:06, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

I think systematically in this case refers to "consistent and continual" or "repeated". For if nature is subject to "consistent and continual" increasing of "concentrations of substances extracted from the Earth's crust" we would be in big trouble in the long run.

--Burleyc1 (talk) 19:47, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I think a re-design of the "The Natural Step" page is necessary

• The Framework for Strategic Sustainable Development (FSSD), a.k.a "The Natural Step" Method, should have its own article. All encyclopedia-worthy research (ongoing at several universities and now branching out in several ways) and noteworthy organisational uses of this framework ought to be recorded on the new article.
• This article ought to keep all encyclopedia-worthy matters about the genesis of the FSSD research process (done under the aegis of The Natural Step), the role of the organisation, etc.
• The special role of the founder of TNS, Karl-Henrik Robert, can be highlighted, yet I think it would not serve the encyclopedia's users to conflate the two articles. The man is distinct from the organisation. And the organisation is distinct from the Framework for Strategic Sustainable Development.

As for the question above, "systematically" in the context of the System Conditions means "going in the same direction, under systemic causes", or more simply, "continuously, even if with slight deviations". So "Nature must not be subject to systematically increasing concentrations" means that Nature must not be subject to continuously increasing concentrations (even if there may be occasional pauses along the way...)

--KimGDavis (talk) 01:41, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

I support this suggestion, all the more as the FSSD has been developing faster than adopted by TNS in recent years. E.g. the introduction of Social Sustainability Principles (SSPs) on a societal level researched by Merlina Missimer to replace SP4 based on an individual level.

--Moaltmann (talk) 20:03, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

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