Talk:The Old Man (Seinfeld)

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Requested move

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: consensus to move the page, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 04:22, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

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The Old Man → The Old Man (Seinfeld) – plays by Maxim Gorky and Edgar Wallace, songs by Bing Crosby 1954, Colm C.T. Wilkinson 1977, John McDermott (singer), The Fureys 1982, Matt Lucas (singer), and The Old Man (1931 film), based on the Edgar Wallace play of the same name, The Old Man (2012 film). A TV episode title should probably never be sitting on top of other subjects, certainly not for something as generic as "The Old Man". In ictu oculi (talk) 08:11, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

• Support "The Old Man" should be a disambiguation page. the Old Man is a form of address that is frequently used, and usually means father or husband, so these are most likely the primary topics for the term. It is also used to refer to the boss or commanding officer as a derivation of father. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 06:49, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose. Page views show this to be the primary topic. The Seinfeld episode 4,100 views in the 90 days. The 2012 film 1,400 in the same time frame. -- Calidum 16:33, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Not surprising at all, but that would be a minor component of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:18, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

• Support: A 4:1 ratio is insufficient to establish a primary topic, and there are other alternative topics as well as that one. —BarrelProof (talk) 00:01, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

  Comment. Normally, that would be sufficient to establish the topic as primary, per "much more likely than any other topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined." Dekimasuよ! 20:17, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

  The benchmark I was previously given in another discussion (where, I don't remember) was 10:1. That 4:1 ratio also considers only one alternative topic – not "all the other topics combined". —BarrelProof (talk) 21:33, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

  Except the actual policy (WP:PRIMARYTOPIC) sets no such ratio, be it 2:1, 4:1, or 10:1. And 10:1 is ridiculous. You're welcome to keep your support, but I hope the closing administration dismisses it based on such a ludicrous ratio you expect. -- Calidum 01:27, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

I may have miscalculated but in Google Books the ratio of (Maxim Gorky play) + (Edgar Wallace play) + (Bing Crosby song) + (1931 film) to (Seinfeld) appears to be around 18:1 in favour of the other subjects, which makes the above discussion rather moot. Though I agree with BarrelProof and 67.70.35.44. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:23, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

• Support. Clearly not the first thing you'd think of when you heard the phrase. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:08, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
• Support per nominator's comments. Definitely not the primary topic in any way. —innotata 00:21, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
• Support. If there is a primary topic then it is not the Seinfeld episode, which satisfies the GNG but barely. Andrewa (talk) 16:48, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

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