Talk:The Opposition with Jordan Klepper

Requested move 6 October 2017

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The result of the move request was: moved back to The Opposition with Jordan Klepper. Clearly there was no consensus for the initial bold move so we revert to the status quo. If anything, the discussions leans in favour of that title anyway. No prejudice against revisiting this in a few months when we might have a clearer idea of whether "w/" has caught on enough to be the common name. Jenks24 (talk) 14:19, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

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The Opposition W/ Jordan Klepper → The Opposition w/ Jordan Klepper – The "W" abbreviating the word "with" should be lowercase. Grapesoda22 (✉) 04:53, 6 October 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. bd2412 T 15:18, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose: Revert to The Opposition with Jordan Klepper. Sawol (talk) 05:58, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

The word "with" is abbreviated to "w/" virtually everywhere including formal press releases, TV listings and even the on-air title card in the show itself. It is clearly the prefered common spelling. Grapesoda22 (✉) 23:39, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

• Support either "w/" or "with" per nominator and Sawol.  ONR  (talk)  21:50, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
• Support per nomination. As confirmed by the screenshot (appended to the article) of the series' opening title card, the "w/" is lower case. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 18:32, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
• Note This discussion is whether The Opposition with Jordan Klepper should be renamed and moved to The Opposition w/ Jordan Klepper. [1] Sawol (talk) 09:17, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

According to the text of the nomination, this discussion is actually whether the current main title header, The Opposition W/ Jordan Klepper, should be renamed and moved to The Opposition w/ Jordan Klepper. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 01:30, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

No. This (W/ → w/) is a fake discussion. [2] of October 4 is the undiscussed move. Sawol (talk) 03:26, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Any editor is free to start his or her own RM focused on changing (w/ → with) or to request reversion of an undiscussed move, but this ongoing RM has already received two clear "support" votes for "w/" and one nuanced vote willing to accept either "w/" or "with", but still voting "support". Therefore, this RM cannot be characterized as "a fake discussion". —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 06:44, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

• Move to "with" per Sawol. WP:COMMONNAME not WP:OFFICIALNAME. In Google News results, "with" (3,140 results) appears nearly twice as common as "w/" (1,610 results). 59.149.124.29 (talk) 09:23, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
  • The "with" link you provided shows 2,160 results and the "w/" link shows 1,700 results. That's a measly difference of 460 results, which would not make it "nearly twice as common". Also, as the show progresses billed with the abbreviated title more and more news articles will refer to it as such. Grapesoda22 (✉) 02:55, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
• Support per nomination. Clearly a lowercase w/ in all official show materials. Rswallis10 (talk) 23:28, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
• Revert to old title with "with" instead of the odd styling. Alternatively, at least do downcase it. Dicklyon (talk) 04:50, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
  • The abbreviation is quite common. It even redirects directly to "with" here. It is far from "odd". Grapesoda22 (✉) 04:29, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
• @Roman Spinner and Rswallis10: Most show materials say "THE OPPOSITION w/ JORDAN KLEPPER." Why do you concentrate on only w/? Doesn't you see capital letters? Sawol (talk) 15:09, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Certain aspects of this topic are reminiscent of those discussed in the recently-concluded unsuccessful nomination Good Night, and Good Luck → Good Night, and Good Luck. at Talk:Good Night, and Good Luck#Requested move 21 September 2017. One of the points raised there was that "Many films uppercase their entire titles or put the initial letter of every word in the title in either upper case or lower case, thus negating stylistic arguments regarding those specific matters". As far as the present nomination is concerned, however, the governing guideline is MOS:CT which specifies that "the words that are not capitalized (unless they are the first or last word of the title) are: Prepositions containing four letters or fewer (as, in, of, on, to, for, from, like, over, with, etc.)" —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 05:20, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

• Revert to old title, The Opposition with Jordan Klepper. Given that sources are split on whether they use "with" or "w/", it is clear that the "w/" notation is just a styling, similar to Macy*s. Therefore per MOS:CT we should go with our house style for this, which is to spell out "with" in full, with lower case w.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:20, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
  • This is a common everyday abbreviation of the word. It is not an unusual styling. It is in no way remotely similar to replacing and apostrophe with an asterisk. Grapesoda22 (✉) 20:31, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
• Revert to "with" per above. More common spelling, plus argument "as the show progresses billed with the abbreviated title more and more news articles will refer to it as such" is purely speculative. -- Wikipedical (talk) 16:09, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
  • The Google results for "with" now outnumber the results for "w/" Grapesoda22 (✉) 20:31, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

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