Talk:The PTA Disbands/Archive 1

Archive 1

What's with the exclamation mark?

I've never seen the episode title written like that before. Would someone care to explain why it's listed as such? --Closedmouth 04:44, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Oh well, I moved it anyway. See the official website --Closedmouth 07:06, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Reverted another instance of exclamation mark. Official episode guide lists it as "The PTA Disbands" --Srx 10:01, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

It is written with an exclamation mark on the case and dvd menus of the Season 6 DVD. And that it how it will stay. The whole thing is a bit like "Homer: Bad Man" which for a while was "Homer Badman". Gran2 15:59, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

I moved the page omitting the exclamation mark. According to the official episode guide[1], there is none. Reginmund 23:30, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Gran2 appears to have moved this back with the exclamation point because the DVD box set uses an exclamation point. However, I don't think that this should be a valid enough factor in determining the title. The official website (which can be updated at any time) omits the exclamation point[2] and so does the official episode catalogue. I don't think that the DVD cover can be considered a reliable enough source for determining the name. I've seen them make loads of mistakes before. For example here[3] Erich von Stroheim is erroneously credited as "Eric von Stroheim" on the DVD cover of La Grande Illusion. I doubt that the season 6 DVD is any different, especially when compared to the official website and official Simpsons catalogue. Reginmund 14:04, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I haven't "appeared" to do anything, I "have" moved it. Anyway, its not just the DVD box, its the DVD booklet and all of the menus as well. The fact is, the DVD is the latest product to do with season 6, and if it uses the title with a !, then that's the title. A DVD is lot more reliable than a website. The actual Simpsons official website is pretty rubbish, I mean the episode guides arn't even co-ordinated, some list guest stars and others (even though the episode does have them) don't. But if you still don't think the entire DVD is a reliable source, then the only way you can actually solve the problem, is to email Fox themselves. Gran² 14:26, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

You need not get defensive about my minced Essex English. Please be civil. I am only curious as to find a solution to this dilemna. I personally think that the web site is quite organised and since it can be updated any time, it is probably the most trustworthy. The printing press, however can make mistakes. As I already showed you with La Grande Illusion. If a web site makes a mistake it can be updated any time. Not to mention that The Simpsons' official catalogue omits the exclamation point so that is two sources against one. However, seeing as how angry you can get if anyone dares question your Divine Right, I'm going to make a move request to see what others have to think about this. Reginmund 22:41, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

 Done Neil ム 09:00, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

The PTA Disbands! → The PTA Disbands — The offical web site[4] (which can be updated at any time) omits the apostrophe. So does the official Simpsons catalogue. However, Gran2 took the name with the apostrophe from the DVD box set (which uses an apostrophe), although I don't think that DVDs are as a reliable source. I have seen several mistakes on DVDs before. For example, the DVD release of La Grande Illusion spells Erich von Stroheim's name without the "h" in "Erich"[5] (which is incorrect). That is two sources against one less than reliable source. —Reginmund 22:41, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

• Support - As nominator. Reginmund 22:42, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose Both the DVD commentary and Copyright Database call spell it with a !, and they are the two where we KNOW the writers had a say in it. The website is known for its mistakes (it used to have the plots for G.I. D'oh and Ice Cream of Margie mixed up) and the books also have mistakes. I think we should leave it as it is because the DVDs are the most recently released official material and if they call it "The PTA Disbands!" then so should we. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 23:08, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

*Support - Most of the ghits I pulled up use The PTA Disbands. Unless you can provide a link, proving that that name is wrong, I support this move. --Тhε Rαnδom Eδιτor 23:21, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

• • Go here, select "Search this catalogue", enter "PA0000741679" into the search thing and select the "Registration Number" option and you will find that the official title registered with the copyright database is "The Simpsons : no. 2F19, The PTA disbands! / directed by Swinton O. Scott 3rd". -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 23:26, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't mean to sound fastidious, but that looks even more inaccurate. The "D" in "Disbands" should be capitalised, shouldn't it? Reginmund 23:31, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah If anything, let's move it to "The PTA disbands!" --Тhε Rαnδom Eδιτor 23:34, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, if you enter PAu001918165, you'll see that the teleplay is registered under "The PTA disbands". Zagalejo^^^ 00:38, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

• Support I'm not crazy about using that database as the source for official names. Life on the Fast Lane is listed under its working title, "Bjorn to be wild". SNPP.com uses "The PTA Disbands," sans exclamation point, and they claim that they got the titles for seasons 5-7 from Bill Oakley himself. [6]. Zagalejo^^^ 00:29, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
  • I think the DVDs using title has to count for something though. SNPP is not an official source, even if they do claim to have gotten it from Oakley. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 01:26, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
    • I understand. It's just that for many years, Simpsons fans wrote the title without the eclamation point, largely influenced by SNPP, but also the Complete Guide to Our Favorite Family, an official publication. When two versions of the name have a reasonable claim to being the "official" one, we should stick with the most common version of the name. Zagalejo^^^ 01:41, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
• However, thesimpsons.com is an official source and they omit the exclamation point. I just don't trust the DVDs as much as I do the web sites because the site can be updated at any time. The DVDs can be riddled with factual errors on occasion as pointed out with La Grande Illusion. And keep in mind that the official catalogue of The Simpsons episodes omits the exclamation point also. Reginmund 01:29, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
  • The DVDs have the direct involvement of the production staff and the website is maintained by some random webmaster who updates it once a month. TheSimpsons.com is well-known among fans for being incorrect - for a long time they had the incorrect title for several episodes and have even mixed some up. An "official" website is not the mouthpiece for the production staff, it is just something made by some guy who was hired by Fox. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 01:31, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
• Could you cite this analysis please? Reginmund 01:38, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Yeah I would like to see some proof of the websites "incorrectness." --Тhε Rαnδom Eδιτor 21:38, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
    • here's one for you, it has the season 19 premiere mistitled, it should be He Loves to Fly and He D'oh's but they use the title of the season 18 finale, You Kent Always Say What You Want. That's a pretty big mistake. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 23:25, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
• This looks more like a technicality than a mistake. On the overhead, season nineteen hasn't been listed yet and You Kent Always Say What You Want is Listed on season eighteen anyway. I doubt the episode will be on nineteen when the site is updated, especially when the link to season nineteen will be added. Reginmund 00:43, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

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Why dose this article redirect from Malk?

I was just trying to find some random page on Wikipedia so I typed in the word "malk" it had a link to Malk and it directed me to this page. I was just a little curious as to why? --N8lewis 04:08, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Bart is seen drinking from a carton of malk rather than milk at one point during the episode, this could also be included in the trivia section... Enelson 03:27, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Uter's capture scene

Alright, so I've never seen "The Wild Geese," so I don't know if it makes more sense. But I was reading the cultural references section and it says that Uter's capture scene "is based on the death of Rafer Janders, in the 1978 film The Wild Geese." Couldn't this also be a reference to "Red Dawn?"

Unsourced moved to talkpg

Could be added back into article if sourced. Cirt (talk) 19:16, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Cultural references

• The "that's a paddlin'…" speech by Jasper is a spoof of the "that's a night in the box" speech from Cool Hand Luke.
• The phrase "purple monkey dishwasher" is uttered by Edna Krabappel, after a message originating with Bart is passed down a line of people. The nonsensical nature of the comment is similar to the end product of a game of "Chinese Whispers or "Telephone"), where a story or phrase passed sequentially from one member of a group to another is often grossly distorted once it reaches the intended recipient. The remark itself has achieved a notable amount of pop culture recognition as an inside joke between Simpsons fans. A Purple Monkey Dishwasher zine (Modbury North, S.A. : Purple Monkey Dishwasher, 1996-1999) was even published for a short time.

GA review

This article has had a GA review, and was successfully passed as a WP:GA. See Talk:The PTA Disbands/GA1. Cirt (talk) 13:43, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

It's "The PTA Disbands!", NOT "The PTA Disbands"

According to the DVD, it's refered by "The PTA Disbands!".--It's my Junior year in High School! 00:10, 30 September 2009 (UTC)Chris

[7]. Cirt (talk) 00:14, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Cultural reference chess

I am sure there is a cultural reference when Bart is playing 3 games of chess simultaneously but no one has mentioned it. I think it is either in reference to a film or to Kasparov in general but I could be wrong. Well if anyone knows which one it is then it could be included in the relevant section. I came here to look it up because I'm sure I have seen that in a movie once.--Natharnio Armarnio (talk) 15:58, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Purple monkey dishwasher

Purple monkey dishwasher redirects here, but it isn't mentioned in the article. Redirects shouldn't leave people stranded. Purple monkey dishwasher —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.162.30.43 (talk) 16:11, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps you could suggest some sources? Cirt (talk) 17:04, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

I came to this talk page to make the same suggestion. Presumably the source would be the scene of the episode where it's mentioned. APL (talk) 15:36, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

How about any secondary sources? Cirt (talk) 16:53, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

The point here, is that "Purple monkey dishwasher" redirects here, presumably because the episode mentions the phrase or something. So, for those of us who haven't seen the episode, it's extremely aggravating to arrive here on this page, and not know why we're here. Assuming the redirect isn't an error, (And looking at its history, it doesn't appear to be.) A single sentence or quote, referenced from the episode, could explain the context of the phrase, and why the redirect points here.

There is no need for a secondary source to fix this problem. APL (talk) 17:44, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

If it is not discussed in any secondary sources, then it is therefore not noteworthy enough of discussion in an encyclopedia article about the episode. Cirt (talk) 20:18, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Secondary sources are required to establish notability of the article's subject. They are not strictly required to source every line in the article. Many articles, even featured ones include primary sources.

Since the entire plot section is unreferenced anyway, I don't understand your resistance. APL (talk) 03:31, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

(If I have to go out and rent this episode to satisfy my curiosity about that stupid redirect, I'm going to add it to the article myself to save others the trouble.) APL (talk) 03:39, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Then who determines what is noteworthy to include? How? Why? Best to rely on weighting as discussed in secondary sources. Cirt (talk) 03:47, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

If you want to find out about Purple monkey dishwasher, I suggest you try a a fan site rather than a general encyclopedia. It's a one-off joke and really a minor part of the episode, so it doesn't warrant mention in the plot section. If memory serves, there was a minor comedy troupe that used that name, but that page was deleted and it was redirected here. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 04:58, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Given all the above, the redirect is not appropriate and should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.81.129.193 (talk) 15:25, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

It may be a minor part of the episode but it's frequently referenced, including a children's book. http://www.amazon.com/Harry-Purple-Monkey-Dishwasher-Adventure/dp/0986941328 -- I think it should be included. -- Resuna (talk) 14:15, 29 October 2013 (UTC)