Talk:The Pacemakers (funk band)

Pacesetters

I'm 99% sure that the correct name of the band was "Pacesetters", not "The Pacemakers".

In George Clinton and P-Funk: An Oral History, Bootsy Collins says "We were a local band called Pacesetters that had become the house band for King Records" (page 66). I'll try to find other sources about the name of the band. In any event, I think an interview with Bootsy Collins is more reliable than the Rolling Stone Encyclopedia. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 05:06, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm not as sure as I was earlier. Allmusic calls the band "the Pacesetters", but David Mills, co-author of George Clinton and P-Funk: An Oral History, refers to the band as "the Pacemakers" on his blog. I'll keep digging. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 17:41, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

While I agree, straight from Bootsy's mouth would be the most direct and believable source for the information: It would not be his credibility in question, but the publisher printing the information accurately. Bubonicnate (talk) 10:01, 5 August 2008 (UTC) In the PBS/Time-Life(Warner) documentary series The History of Rock & Roll (Director: Ted Haimes, Obie Benz) - The band is refered to as The Pacemakers.Bubonicnate (talk) 10:01, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

The R&B Bass Masters: The Way They Play By Ed Friedland Published by Backbeat Books, 2005 ISBN 0879308699, 9780879308698 Liss the bands name as The PacemakersBubonicnate (talk) 10:01, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

http://www.vh1.com/artists/news/1636/19971024/collins_bootsy.jhtml Calls the band Pacemakers Bubonicnate (talk) 10:01, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

http://www.houstonpress.com/1994-10-13/music/what-s-bootsy-doin/ refers to the band as Pacemakers Bubonicnate (talk) 10:01, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

http://uk.music.yahoo.com/ar-280067-bio--Bootsys-Rubber-Band refers to the band as Pacemakers Bubonicnate (talk) 10:01, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/bio/index.jsp?pid=4186 refers to the band as Pacemakers Bubonicnate (talk) 10:01, 5 August 2008 (UTC) All Music Guide to the Blues: The Definitive Guide to the Blues By Vladimir Bogdanov, Chris Woodstra, Stephen Thomas Erlewine Contributor Vladimir Bogdanov, Chris Woodstra, Stephen Thomas Erlewine Published by Backbeat Books, 2003 ISBN 0879307366, 9780879307363 Lists the band as Pacemakers Bubonicnate (talk) 10:01, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I got in touch with David Mills, who interviewed Bootsy Collins. He said that he would go with Bootsy — if Bootsy says they were The Pacesetters, then he would use that name. He told me he was mistaken when he used the name Pacemakers in his blog.

With respect to other sources, keep in mind that one book or site may use another as its source. A mistake in one book can be repeated on hundreds of websites.

In any event, here are some sites that use Pacesetters:

http://marqueemag.com/bootsy-collins-presents-a-tribute-to-james-brown-on-latest-tour/2008/05/01/

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000QJPJSS?ie=UTF8&parent=B001BHXDJ6

http://www.funktothemax.com/asp/Biographic/bootsy.asp

http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/bootsy_collins

http://www.modernguitars.com/archives/003726.html

So we have a number of sites that use Pacemakers, a number of sites that use Pacesetters, and a statement from Bootsy himself that they were The Pacesetters. I trust Bootsy. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 21:38, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Do you have a actual audio or video recording of Bootsy saying it was the Pacesetters or not? If not, my problem is in the credibility of the people publishing the information. I listed reputable sources of information on Rock n' Roll - Rolling Stone and Billboard, PBS/BBC documentaries and you have overruled my info by slanting facts (i.e. the difference between what Bootsy says and what people report he says) and listing blog websites. Once again, I agree with you and David Mills - if Bootsy said "Pacesetters" then Pacesetters it is. I question the source reporting what Bootsy said - not Bootsy's expertise on his own former band (but we have already gone over this months ago, why did you restate the same fallacious argument?). If you are going to change the name to back to Pacesetters and take the page I made for the Pacemakers - please, at least take off the sources I listed for Pacemakers (that’s double wrong). I'm done trying to correct this or any other problems I see in Wikipedia. I am also never going to allow my students to use this site for information in class, now that I understand the way in which things are edited, controlled and overruled here. This is shameful. Real sources on Wikipedia seem to be refuted by blog sites and not understanding the difference between fact and a credible/faulty report of facts. You are not siding with Bootsy - you are siding with what someone said Bootsy said. Insanity. I'm out Bubonicnate (talk)

My feeling is that the sources disagree with one another, but Bootsy Collins is quoted in an interview using the name Pacesetters — in a book edited by Dave Marsh, not a blog. If you want to go with Rolling Stone over Bootsy Collins, move the article. I'm not going to engage in a pissing match over it. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 20:21, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Pacemakers is what a press release from EMI from February 2009 entitled "Bootsy Collins Signs Global Agreement with EMI Music Publishing" states is the band's name: "Since forming the Pacemakers as a 17-year-old in 1968, Bootsy Collins has been at the center of the funk movement..." http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS189397+10-Feb-2009+BW20090210 Bubonicnate (talk) 16:29, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Here is a link to the same release off of EMI's website: http://www.emigroup.com/Press/2009/press21.htm Bubonicnate (talk) 17:04, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Pacemakers is what Bootsy's band is called in the 1995 BBC/PBS/WGBH collaboration documentary series on the "History fo Rock n' Roll". In Episode 8, entitled "Make It Funky" - written and directed by Yvonne Smith. The senior series producer was David Epsar. The BBC series producer was Hugh Thomson. Bubonicnate (talk) 17:00, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Pacemakers is what the band is refered to in the book entitled "Funk" by Dave Thompson. Published by Backbeat Books in San Francisco in 2001. Bubonicnate (talk) 17:08, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

According to WP:V, "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—that is, whether readers are able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether we think it is true." (emphasis in original)

The overwhelming majority of sources use the name Pacemakers, so I'm going to move the article to that name. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 17:58, 30 August 2009 (UTC)