Talk:The Peninsula New York/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Argenti Aertheri (talk · contribs) 02:52, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

GA review

Last updated at 2023-08-17 08:01:53 by Argenti Aertheri

See what the criteria are and what they are not

1) Well-written

1a) the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct

1b) it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation

2) Verifiable with no original research

2a) it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline

2b) reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose)

2c) it contains no original research

2d) it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism

3) Broad in its coverage

3a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic

3b) it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style)

4) Neutral:

4) Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each

5) Stable:

5) Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute

6) Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio

6a) media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content

6b) media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions

Overall:

Comments:

The second paragraph of the lead could be clearer

• I have reworded it a bit. Epicgenius (talk) 00:16, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

"HSH acquired the hotel's lease in 1989 and renovated the hotel again in 1998." - was this when it was renamed?

• Yes, it was renamed in 1989. Epicgenius (talk) 00:16, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Section titled "Site" needs to be pared down as MoMA is currently lost among the sea of far less interesting buildings. Only us architecture nerds care about, for example, 7 West 54th Street.

• I trimmed down some of the other entries, but I think it is still helpful to mention buildings on the same block for completeness (especially 5-15 West 54th, which constitutes a National Register of Historic Places district and is located right behind the hotel). Epicgenius (talk) 00:16, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Hm, is there an article for them as a group? Or maybe put "5-15 West 54th" with a footnote linking to the articles? ~ Argenti Aertheri^(Chat?) 01:10, 14 August 2023 (UTC) Or move them to the last section? 03:00, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

    There is no article about these houses as a group. Each of the buildings has its own article, except for 13-15, which share an article because of their combined history. But there is no single article for the houses as a whole. Epicgenius (talk) 18:35, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

    See below for potential solution ~ Argenti Aertheri^(Chat?) 07:48, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

"H. Hobart Weekes of Hiss and Weekes had worked for the firm of McKim, Mead & White, which had specialized in Renaissance Revival structures, for 13 years just prior to the development of the Gotham Hotel." - I understand this sentence, but I'm not so sure it actually meets 1a

• Removed. Epicgenius (talk) 00:16, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

"Similar to in other Beaux-Arts buildings" - to or in, pick one

"The hotel is 20 stories high...Originally, the hotel was 19 stories high...After a renovation in the 1980s, the hotel had 23 stories." It's 23 stories in 2023, and was 19 stories until the 80s...when was it 20 stories? Ok, digging through the citations it was 20 stories in June 1989, 19 stories (plus 2 basements) in 1905-1906, and an unmetioned number of stories in 1987 (the apparent citation for 23 stories), but maybe 23 stories was in the previous citation? It's paywalled so I can't check.

• The NYT source says "The bulk of the renovation focused on the 23-story hotel's 242 guest rooms and suites". The hotel was built as a 19-story structure, but the ground level was divided into two around 1938-1939. The penthouse was added in the 1980s, so the hotel was 20 stories tall between the 1930s and 1980s. Epicgenius (talk) 00:16, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Thank you! ~ Argenti Aertheri^(Chat?) 01:10, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

"which in turn form an arcade that wrap around" - subject verb agreement

"ashlar" wikilink, and "garland" does not point where it should Apparently it does, weird

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"A square palm room" wikilink to Palm court?

• Done. Epicgenius (talk) 18:44, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

"The third floor was devoted to private dining rooms.[16] The five function rooms have a combined floor area of 3,300 sq ft (310 m2).[28] The event spaces could fit meetings, weddings, dinners, and parties with up to 250 guests.[29]" - I can't work out which of these are historical and which are present. Switching the middle and last sentences would probably help, or ditching "spaces could fit" if that's still true.

• I have reworded the sentences to clarify that the five function rooms are 21st-century features of the hotel, rather than historical features. Epicgenius (talk) 18:44, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Any idea what the basements house now? That whole paragraph is written in the past tense.

• Sadly, I don't know. I will have to look later. Epicgenius (talk) 18:44, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

"but the building was enclosed in early 1904." - what does enclosed mean in this context?

• I've clarified what this means. The facade and roof were completed at that time; previously, the interior was open to the elements. Epicgenius (talk) 18:44, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

"The hotel building also had a sprinkler system and a fire alarm system, which was a relatively novel feature when" - I had put this as something I could fix, because I thought it was a simple subject-verb issue, but I can't find mention of sprinklers in the citation

• I removed the sprinkler detail. I'm not sure how that ended up there. Epicgenius (talk) 18:44, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Completely optional tips:

Caption: "Stores at the base of the hotel"

"Detail of entrance" photo is a bit blurry

• I will replace it soon. Epicgenius (talk) 00:16, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

"Architects' and Builders' Magazine 1905" citations could be combined w/ rp template

"the Midtown Manhattan neighborhood of New York City, New York, United States." per Wikipedia:Naming conventions

I still think it should be spelt façade

• Per Merriam-Webster, the unaccented version of the word may be more common in American English. Epicgenius (talk) 00:16, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
  • I know, and I think that's dumb. 01:10, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

I'd put the photo of the base before the section about the base, so the section header doesn't get lost on the left

Is it called a penthouse when it's not a house/apartment/condo/whatever?

• Sometimes, yes. Other times, it may be called a dormer (usually if it contains mechanical equipment). Epicgenius (talk) 00:16, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Huh, learn something new everyday I guess. ~ Argenti Aertheri^(Chat?) 01:10, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

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"by which time the hostelry was known as the Gotham Hotel" & "reducing the 330-room hostelry to 250 rooms" - can hostelry be changed to hotel?

• Done. Epicgenius (talk) 18:44, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

"Bennett, despondent over his own troubles, fatally shot himself" - speculation?

• Removed the "despondent" part. Epicgenius (talk) 18:44, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

"offices were then relocated to the space previously occupied by the"

• Done. Epicgenius (talk) 18:44, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Things I'll fix myself: done!

I imagine this time tomorrow it'll be GA

@Epicgenius: Finished this one yesterday, just realizing I forgot to ping you!

How do you feel about this:

To the west and south, the hotel is surrounded by the clubhouse of the University Club of New York. The site shares the block with historic West 54th Street and 46 West 55th Street; and the Rockefeller Apartments to the west. The hotel is also near the Museum of Modern Art to the south; Fifth Avenue Presbyterian Church and 712 Fifth Avenue to the north; 550 Madison Avenue to the northeast; the St. Regis New York hotel to the east; and 689 Fifth Avenue to the southeast.

You can change "historic West 54th Street" to whatever you want and change what's in the footnote. It'll still be there, but it won't break up the flow of text.

Since this is entirely a personal suggestion, and you fixed the actual issues, congrats on another GA! ~ Argenti Aertheri^(Chat?) 08:01, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

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