Talk:The Puritan (statue)

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Requested move 11 April 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Though the two sides of this discussion had numerical parity, the weight of policy was shown to favor the move. WP:CONCISE and WP:PRECISE were both shown to support the proposed title, and MOS:ART/MULTI was shown to discourage place-name disambiguators for artworks that have multiple copies. A WP:CONSISTENT argument was leveled against the proposal, but its applicability was disputed. (non-admin closure) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 15:01, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

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The Puritan (Springfield, Massachusetts) → The Puritan (statue) – The disambiguator "statue" is much more appropriate than the current one, which doesn't actually convey much useful information on what the subject is. 〜 Festucalex • talk 20:04, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose, this proposed title seems to violate convention; statues are usually disambiguated by location or artist. 162 etc. (talk) 21:30, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

  @162 etc.: Disambiguated from each other by location or artist. There is no other statue by this name. The disambiguation here is from a play, an album, and a song. 〜 Festucalex • talk 21:56, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

  That doesn't appear to be the case. I randomly clicked two links at Category:Bronze sculptures in Massachusetts: Emancipation (Fuller) and Democratic Donkey (Boston), and they are not ambiguous with any other statues. 162 etc. (talk) 18:47, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

• Leaning to oppose - Given that the article begins "The Puritan is a bronze statue by sculptor Augustus St. Gaudens in Springfield, Massachusetts, United States, which became so popular it was reproduced for over 20 other cities, museums, universities, and private collectors around the world, and later became an official symbol of the city, emblazoned on its municipal flag." the current dab seems more helpful. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:17, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

  None of these reproductions have an article of their own. 〜 Festucalex • talk 06:07, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

  MOS:ART/MULTI says "Where a work of art is produced in multiple copies, as with a cast bronze sculpture ... the article should as far as possible cover all copies, and normally should reflect this in its title ... rather than specifying one location." Ham II (talk) 06:50, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Disambiguation by location is generally for when the first part of the article title is a descriptive name – e.g. Statue of Daniel Webster (Boston) or Soldiers' Monument (Worcester, Massachusetts) – not a title in italics as here. This case is more like Christ the Redeemer (statue) and The Little Mermaid (statue). The two examples given above should arguably be at Emancipation (sculpture) and Democratic Donkey (statue). Ham II (talk) 08:01, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

  I was frankly baffled at the other comments here. The Puritan (Springfield, Massachusetts) is a clear violation of WP:CONCISE and WP:PRECISE. There's no way to know from the title whether The Puritan is just some really religious guy, a hip gas station, or a temperance-themed beer garden in Springfield. 〜 Festucalex • talk 13:37, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.