Talk:The River Wild

Carrie Fisher as script doctor

I read she worked as a script doctor on this film 188.29.134.80 (talk) 18:59, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 29 August 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Consensus that WP:SMALLDETAILS are sufficient to distinguish the titles without needing a parenthetical disambiguator. (closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:28, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

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• The River Wild (1994 film) → The River Wild
• River Wild (2023 film) → River Wild
• River Wild → River Wild (disambiguation)

– Unnecessary disambiguators where a Template:About will suffice. Star Garnet (talk) 17:34, 29 August 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 07:39, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Note: pages with content, such as River Wild, are ineligible to be proposed titles in move requests unless they, too, are formally dispositioned. "River Wild → River Wild (disambiguation)" has been added to this request to meet that requirement. If this request is granted, then the {{One other topic}} template may be applied. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 23:50, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

• Support on principal since this was an undiscussed move. Looking at other similar setups with a title that is similar except for a the, they usually aren't disambiguated so precisely. Not to mention, in this case both films are related. --Quiz shows 22:34, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. As pointed out by P.I. Ellsworth, the double nomination actually needed to be submitted as a triple: River Wild → deleted to make room for move. However, since the River Wild disambiguation page also contains "See also" where Open Heaven / River Wild and Wild river (disambiguation) are listed, it is helpful as an all-inclusive location of related titles. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 23:53, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
• Support per WP:SMALLDETAILS. The base names are different, so should not be parenthetically disambiguated with each other. Hatnotes are the appropriate form of disambiguation here. The dab page can likely be deleted, but for now, move to the qualified version. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:20, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Film has been notified of this discussion. —usernamekiran (talk) 07:38, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose because The River Wild and River Wild are indistinguishable in common parlance. Either term could be plausibly searched for, and I think WP:RECENTISM muddles the matter with the 2023 film outpacing the 1994 film in terms of page views at this time. We have no idea what the enduring trend for both will be. To strive to remove the disambiguation term from both is pedantically minimalist. It's possible to be overly concise. And off-Wikipedia searches for either topic will have the disambiguation terms (in essence, the release years) visible to lock in incoming readers without any potential confusion. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 14:03, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

  To add on with evidence, these links use "The River Wild" in association with the 2023 film. I'm not claiming them as reliable sources, only showing that the extraneous "The" does happen out there: Decider, Heaven of Horror, Fandango, ScreenRant, JoBlo, MUBI, MSN, The AV Club, The Movie Isle, TheOnlyCritic, Reel Talk. Again, not saying all of these are reliable, but the confusion is definitely evident. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 14:10, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

In terms of the title, "The" is a sufficiently distinguishable part of the title to differentiate the topics, e.g. we have The Batman (film) that is not parenthetically disambiguated with other entries at Batman (film). SMALLDETAILS does not imply that they can't be confused with one another, it says that the way to disambiguate them is with hatnotes (as proposed), not parenthetical disambiguation. Parenthetical disambiguation is only used when two or more topics share the exact title and there is no way to resolve the conflict without wandering to far from WP:CRITERIA. Mdewman6 (talk) 16:10, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Looking at WP:CRITERIA, we need precision: "The title unambiguously identifies the article's subject and distinguishes it from other subjects." As demonstrated above, without the release years (and associated media type), the two films are not clearly distinguished from each other. Furthermore, WP:CONCISE says, "The goal of concision is to balance brevity with sufficient information to identify the topic to a person familiar with the general subject area." I had said before that it is possible to be overly concise, and the quoted language shows that it is possible to be too brief, and I think that is likely here. Having a year added (with the associated media type) clearly distinguishes both from each other. It's a little extra text that is worth the tradeoff. We shouldn't be in a hurry to make article titles exceedingly short when confusion is clearly possible. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 16:24, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support per WP:SMALLDETAILS. Considering The River Wild (1994 film) redirects to The River Wild, it is an unnecessary disambiguation that makes no sense. A DAB page is also not appropriate per WP:ONEOTHER. InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:48, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nomination. —theMainLogan (t•c) 17:50, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.