Talk:The Secret Life of the American Teenager/Archive 1

Archive 1

Plagiarism

The entire "Production" section in this article is direct plagiarism from this Variety article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.73.75.238 (talk) 03:36, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

It has been edited and I will edit it some more i guess.ChaosMaster16 (talk) 11:30, 5 February 2009 (UTC) ChaosMaster16

Quality Control

Intentionally permanent red link (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

semi-protect. High level of IP vandalism. Hgpever (talk) 03:20, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

From what I can tell, some much younger editors of Wikipedia have had their way with the character bios, leading to this page needing serious revision. I feel the flag should be left until the narrative tone is done away with, which, as it stands now, may take awhile Ingulit | Talk 04:03, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, after re-reading, Adrian Lee's character bio is truly horrid; it reeks of personal opinion and poor grammar. "Some might see her as..." "...but she has also got a soft side..." etc. The others all could use general touch-up as well, but Adrian's is urgent. :x Ingulit | Talk 05:29, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Those were from a quiz on the ABC website. I put those up and I probably shouldn't have. I was just trying include that information somehow, but it didn't really work well. I was hoping someone could rephrase it for me, not just delete the whole thing. There are character descriptions here: http://abcfamily.go.com/abcfamily/path/section_Shows+Secret-Life-Of-The-American-Teenager/page_Molly-Ringwald Someone can put those up as I did, before they got deleted. Sorry for the inconvenience. Ceanne 15:41, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

u are a fool!=] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.160.116.112 (talk) 02:43, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

More than just Adrian's bio. There are at least 3 run-on sentences in Amy's bio alone.(EDIT: If I'm going to call people on grammar, my grammar had better be decent)72.39.165.137 (talk) 04:44, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Grades of Characters

There has been conflict on whether Ben and Amy are freshman or sophomores, and if Grace, Jack, and Adrian are sophomores or juniors. Whoever is making them freshman, please stop! Ben and Amy are sophomores: If she started the high school year when she was 15, then they are both sophomores. That leads Grace, Jack, and Adrian to be juniors obviously. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cherrybubblebath (talk • contribs) 00:18, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Actually if you look at the episodes from season one you will see that they started out as freshman and in season two they end as freshman they dont become softmores until the seventh episode. So that makes aadrian, jack, grace, AND ricky softmores. SOON to be juioners. Watch the episode marathon on July 3 (if you can) and you'll see what.i'm talking about. :) --Alexusbolden (talk) 04:56, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Madison and Lauren

Ok, now that Lauren is getting involved with Ricky, I say that we split the characters into 2 seperate bios. Because as it is now, it's confusing to tell the 2 apart. Also, I vote that we include the Guidence councelor as a main character. He was intended to be one. Thanks! 76.116.99.168 (talk) 21:33, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

thats true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.240.186.175 (talk) 15:53, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

and the Asians!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.93.213.105 (talk) 20:19, 8 September 2008 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Secret_Life_of_the_American_Teenager_episodes they need a link for the episodes —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.152.212.107 (talk) 22:27, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

^thats wrong; amy and ben are freshmen and rick grace jack and adrianne are sophmores. listen more carefully. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.44.154.13 (talk) 16:13, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

I have a question how is Lauran getting involved with RIcky???? She barely even has air time. WHat do they still have those her for anyway??? FOr decoration??? ANyway please answer my question.--Alexusbolden (talk) 04:59, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Balance of Reviews

Can we get some negative reviews? I mean, as it stands now the article reads "The Secret Life of the American Teenager received mixed reviews during its premier season. It was praised for having a set of characters that are "...real and come from families of all stripes - from intact to single-parent households to one boy in foster care..." by the New York Post. [4] ... Despite the reviews,[5] ...", which is obviously not ideal.--danielfolsom 05:10, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Added sugested reviews Liquidluck (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:37, 23 April 2009 (UTC).

Season 1

I have made a The Secret Life Season 1 page for season one. I have moved the ratings from this page and summaries from the episode list there. I think it will keep this series neater. Please message me if you have any problems. I have spent a while making that page. I also added a navagation bar at the bottom of each page relatig to The Secret Life. ChaosMaster16 (talk) 16:02, 17 January 2009 (UTC)ChaosMaster16

That's fine, but you should carry over the ratings references as well; your new table is only partially sourced. Thanks.— TAnthony^Talk 17:39, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Pictures

I think we need a few pictures on here. ChaosMaster16 (talk) 00:08, 21 January 2009 (UTC)ChaosMaster

Season 1/2 point needs to be made clear

The secret life actually begins the 3 season today, June 22,2009. Please re-research the information about how many seasons the show is in and revise it because the information on wikipedia is false.

It has been made clear on ABC Family's website that The Secret Life of the American Teenager is still on season 1. They are currently airing the second part of the first season. There is currently no second season, thus the article shouldn't make reference that they are airing episodes for season 2. It is still season one. —TRAiNER4 (talk • contrib) 04:26, 3 February 2009 (UTC) this is lame

Tone

The tone of the article does not seem objective. As someone who has never watched the show, my immediate reaction is that it was written primarily by fans, as evidenced by the narrative quoting of the show's creator. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.166.13.142 (talk) 06:14, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

SECONDED. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.175.120.252 (talk) 06:55, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

This article could be helped by pointing out that "The Secret Life of the American Teenager" is a terrible TV Show. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.24.124.109 (talk) 01:03, 17 March 2009 (UTC) br/>

How is the secret life of an american teenager a terrible show. IF you say that you havent watched it?? That is so stupid its actually a pretty good show. :(--Alexusbolden (talk) 05:03, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

On June 22, 2009 the SECOND season of secret life started. It annoys me that everyone says its season 3. IT'S NOT

Series Overview

We need that to encompass the whole season/series. I would do it, it is just, I am not currently watching the show. ChaosMaster16 (talk) 03:31, 7 February 2009 (UTC)ChaosMaster16

Ok lets get this Straight

Ok I was having some mixed feelings. Is Adrian a slut or is she only gottin with ricky. Because if she has that means she like only rickys bootycall. Also dose ricky Care about Adrian because he dose not state it. Can someone tell me. Also Why dose everyone hate Adrian she is a real character. Most high schoolers are like her. I think that most people should like her. Shes my favorite character because she is real and I think that she is so awesome even though she is a big slut.

First of all, if Adrian is a slut than Ricky is a slut so lets not use words that demean women. Secondly, only the girls hate her because she gets their men, and hello she is drop dead gorgeous so she will have plenty of haters. Adrian, being a sexually active teen, enjoys having sex, she has had sex with Ricky and her step brother, no relations other than marriage so it is not insect, just a little weird, she has not had sex with any other character in the show, but has made out with Jack and flirts to get her way. Not slutty, its called being resourceful at getting what you want. Yes, Ricky does love her but he was a sexual abused child and had a hard to displaying his true feelings for her to her until the end of season 2, and it is pretty clear that she loves him too. I hope this helps you more when attempting to understand Adrian's character. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.129.13.4 (talk) 18:52, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

You can read or edit Adrian's character biography to help decipher her character. However, as a friendly reminder try to keep your comments on the talk page to discussing improvements to the page, not the characters. That said, thank you 70.129.13.4 for replying to the first poster's concerns. Liquidluck (talk) 19:42, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Initial Low Ratings?

Hi!

I decided to remove this sentence from the lede: "At first, the show struggled with low ratings because it was failing to bring in many viewers. However, with the arrival of more interesting characters and over-the-top storylines, ratings increased."

I don't think this is true- and if it is true, it needs a citation from a reliable source, which I was unable to find.

Thanks! Carolina Bluebird (talk) 21:42, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Negative/Positive Reception

The header previously stated that the series received "generally positive reviews when it began broadcasting, with most mainstream critics praising" it. This directly contrasts with the fairly well cited Reception section, which states that "most mainstream critics have not embraced the show". I changed the header to match, but it was undone. I also changed 90210 to Gossip Girl because that was what the source provided stated (the source does not mention 90210 and is titled "Secret Life vs. Gossip Girl). This edit was also undone. If this was unintentional, nevermind. But if there are objections, please feel free to discuss. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Liquidluck (talk • contribs) 16:50, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Anna Karenina

"It is also possible that the plotline draws inspiration from Leo Tolsoy's novel, Anna Karenina. Each of the main characters in the show strikingly corresponds with a major character in the novel. The thematic elements they embody are also similar. These include among others, unconditional love, innocence, perseverance in the face of rejection, the challenges one faces in pursuing pleasure over prudence, all tempered with an even mixture of fate."

I haven't read the book and so cannot confirm nor deny this, but the piece is un-cited so I removed it from the article. If anyone can find a quote, please feel free to add this back. Thanks, Liquidluck (talk) 03:07, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Is this a joke? Anna Karenina is one of my favourite novels, hence I have read it numerous times and I can't see any comparison.86.184.100.69 (talk) 10:57, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm LITERALLY rolling on the floor laughing my a$$ off. I suppose some less educated teenager read the synopsys on Amazon and decided to connect it to her favorite show in a pathetic attempt to write a school essay. Bet she got a A+. Thank you for removing it. Nomad (talk) 08:42, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Interview/News dump

Just dumping some references for something I or anyone else could add in the future. ChaosMaster_Chat 17:09, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Ken Baumann

Amy Rider

Allen EVANGELISTA

Molly

Positive Review

Amy's storyline

Bristol Palin review

Story

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:The Secret Life of the American Teenager/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: upstateNYer 01:26, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

I'll be reviewing this article. I'll have a full review back shortly. Looking quickly over the article it looks good generally, though there are a few minor issues that will need to be cleared up. I will be making edits as I see fit while I read through. If you have issue with any, please feel free to bring them up here. upstateNYer 01:36, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

GA review (see here for criteria)

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This is a nice piece of work, but it still has some shortcomings with respect to the good article criteria.

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

   • Lead:
     • The first sentence of the lead tells you immediately who created the show. This information is useful to about 1.34% of readers. A rewrite of the first paragraph would be useful such that within the first two or three sentences, the reader gets an idea of what the show is about. The extra information should be included after that (this just equates to a rearrangement of information, basically—no big deal).
     • The comparison to Gossip Girl should be explained: "...beating that night's episode of Gossip Girl...". Add a parenthetical if you're trying to say that it is a major competitor, i.e. "...beating that night's episode of Gossip Girl (one of the show's major competitors in the time slot)..."; competitor is probably not the right word. I trust you'll come up with it.
   • Series Overview:
     • I presume that "John" is the baby's name, but that's not made explicit in either paragraph; can you make this known?
   • Cast and characters:
     • This sentence needs to be rewritten so the meaning is clearer and it's no longer a run-on: "Though she believes it is her boyfriend's, due to her husband's vasectomy, it is revealed that he lied about having the surgery."
     • Generally speaking, I would suggest switching the character name and actor name placement. Most readers will probably be looking for character names first, so if the are labeled first, it will make it easier for the reader.
     • Double check ages. Let's choose a consistent one: go with "seventeen-year-old" as opposed to "17-year-old" or "17 year-old". There was some inconsistency which I think I fixed, but I might have missed one. All fixed
   • Production:
     • "Secret Life is number one with the network's key demographic in its debut time slot versus cable television shows." ← Please rewrite that so its meaning is clearer; I'm not entirely sure what you mean by it.
     • The phrase "more than a decade ago" needs to be updated to "in 19XX". Ten years from now that phrase would be invalid (or at least not entirely accurate).
     • Unsure what the phrase "script on spec" means. Can you define it in the prose?
     • Please wikilink Starcom. I'm not sure which of the dambig pages it should go to. Linked to company that owns them. (They don't have a wiki article yet)
     • I would add "NCOPTUP" after the group's full name, but it doesn't seem to match up correctly. Can you resolve this?
     • A few paragraphs (especially quotes) need inline sources.
   • General:
     • Decide how you want to refer to the seasons. You have all of the following (using season 1 as an example): "Season One", "Season 1", "season one", and "season 1". Pick one and stay consistent.
     • After this review, regardless of whether it passes or fails, I would suggest requesting a review by the Guild of Copyeditors. They're usually pretty quick to respond, and another pair of eyes is always helpful.
     • Fix the Dablinks noted in that link. Done.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   • Ref #24: this goes to a pay site (login required). Do you have access? ). No link is needed if it's just going to bring me to a login site, but article information is a necessity. Ref was redundant, and since I don't have access just removed it.
   • Also, please format like the rest of your references ({{cite web}}

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   • Very good in this respect.

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

   • Seems to be okay.

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   • Given the fact that the article is about a TV show (a copyrighted work) the lack of imagery is understandable.

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   Nice work overall. Let's just get those issues noted above fixed, and we can go from there. upstateNYer 03:05, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• I'm busy at the moment, but with the nominator indef blocked, I think I'll try and clean up these issues. NativeForeigner ^Talk/_Contribs 02:38, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
  • Well that stinks. Pretty good article too. Heh, this would happen on my first GA review. Anyway, when you have time to respond, give me poke on my talk page. upstateNYer 03:13, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
    • Fixed a few minor things, still lots to do. NativeForeigner ^Talk/_Contribs 03:39, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, time has gone on for a while, so I'm going to fail this. However, this will probably be an easy article to pass if someone wants to put some time into it in the near future. upstateNYer 14:18, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

There are a lot of grammatical errors in this article and quite a few of the other Secret Life articles that really need to be fixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Burningbend (talk • contribs) 18:21, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Season 6??

So in the beginning of the article it states that the shows upcoming sixth season will be it's last. Is this a typo?? I was under the impression that the show was canceled after season 5.1rkhachatryan (talk) 03:39, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Cast

Why isn't Ben listed as one of the main characters but his dad is? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.195.196.222 (talk) 18:11, 13 July 2013 (UTC)