Talk:The Tomorrow People/Archive 1

Archive 1

Gay subtext

This is the only reference I can find to the "gay subtext" in TTP: http://spacedoutinc.org/DU-16/TomorrowPeople.html . I don't think a very convincing argument is made; since the scientific name for mankind itself begins with "Homo" it doesn't make sense to say "Hey! There's a made-up species name that starts with 'Homo'! They've got to be talking about homosexuality!" -- Antaeus Feldspar 02:58, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree - the use of "people have claimed" is something of a weasel phrase and should be discouraged - I'd suggest removing the section altogether, as there's obviously no significant value Stephenb (Talk) 09:42, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Connection to David Bowie

If I remember correctly, somewhere in the commentary tracks on the DVDs for the first thirteen episodes, the actors state as fact that the name "Tomorrow People" did in fact come from David Bowie's music, as did the designation "Homo Superior" for them. Can anyone check these DVDs and get a more precise citation for us? -- Antaeus Feldspar 22:40, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

hmmmmm, interesting. This unfortunately does not look like something we can use as a source, but here a fan relates getting a chance to speak with Roger Price and ask him about the connection -- Price confirms that he did indeed meet and speak with Bowie, and they discussed some of the ideas that showed up in TTP -- but Price felt that it was TTP that inspired Bowie, not the other way around. It seems a shame that we can't put both in the article, to show the two differing accounts of what the connection is, but in any case, I think we can regard it as safe to say there is a connection there. -- Antaeus Feldspar 22:51, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Torchwood

Secret lab in the London Underground? Extraterrestrials? Sounds like Torchwood... White6rabbit 11:59, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm sure there's many many many shows that have a secret underground lab in London and extrat.. extr.. aliens. (The Torchwood show is based in Cardiff in case you don't know, the Canary Dock Torchwood went blooie! /geek). Tomorrow People predates Torchwood by over 30 years though... ;) --Monotonehell 13:55, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree - this has nothing to do with Torchwood KiwiTaicho (talk) 14:22, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Jedikiah

OOh! Someone beat me to it. Oh well. I was planning on creating character pages for Tomorrow People characters, as I'm currently watching the DVD's. I might as well implement my Tomorrow People infobox now there is this page. It can be added to the other pages as they are created.--NeilEvans 00:01, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

There is already a page for the Spidron but I would actually suggest that instead of creating an article for every character, that a List of characters in The Tomorrow People article be created and redirects made under the names of the different characters. If they ever get large enough to need individual articles, individual articles can always be made at a later date. -- Antaeus Feldspar 21:55, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Big Finish Episode Guide

As I've already expanded the seventies TTP season section into fully fledged plot summaries, I intend to do so for the Big Finish episodes at some future date. Could someone do likewise for the nineties series? User Calibanu 11.27, 14 July 2007.

I'll do them one at a time, but I need to watch them to outline them so it will take me a little while. (Oh such a chore to watch my favourite show from my childhood again. ;) --Monotonehell 06:59, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I think I've "finished" with the 1990's plot outlines. I've also created an article for poor lil' Christian Tessier as I was sick of seeing a redlink for him. It's 'cos he's a redhead isn't it? ;) He's a very private person so even his birthdate isn't common knowledge, if anyone has anything verifiable and not rude please add it. --Monotonehell 09:43, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Doctor Who producer

The article mentioned about a call that Roger Price got from the Doctor Who producer but did not state which one and when that call took place. The link of where of this information came from, stated that the Doctor Who producer was a her. There were three Doctor Who producers Barry Letts, Philip Hinchcliffe and Graham Williams when the original Tomorrow People series was on and all of them were male. The only female original series Doctor Who producer was Verity Lambert but her tenure was in the decade before The Tomorrow People came on.

So who was the Doctor Who producer who gave Roger Price a call? --The Shadow Treasurer (talk) 03:10, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I have now removed that bit from the article. Please do not put it back in unless the identity of the Doctor Who producer that Roger Price talked to can be verified. The Shadow Treasurer (talk) 20:38, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

It may have been Verity Lambert since she still worked in TV and wanted to know. However it may also have been a director (who would be perhaps more concerned with such information). Paddy Russell (a female director) worked on three DW stories around this time. Again, this is all speculation and has no place in the article, but just saying.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 09:33, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Dean Lawrence link

The Dean Lawrence link on this page goes to a footballer born in 1988, who couldn't possibly be the Dean Lawrence that starred in this series in the mid-1970's. — 72.138.28.33 (talk) 19:03, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

There is now a page dedicated to Dean Lawrence, but you'll have to look up Dean Lawrence (actor). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doctorwhorox (talk • contribs) 01:34, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Split

Looking at the article, it seems clear to me that the episodes need to be split off into a List of episodes article. The earlier stories have quite a long synopses compared to later ones, which only have one sentence. And the article as it is now is quite long. Anyone else agree?--Tuzapicabit (talk) 11:35, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Removed list of episodes section and replaced it with a 'List' link in each infobox.

The dedicated section that was a link to the list of episodes for both shows (1972 & 1992) has been removed, and I have put a link beside each episode count in the infobox to link to the respective anchor on each).

FlowRate (talk) 05:01, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Somebody put the Original series link back, but not the New series link. The link in the info box is hard to find if you're not aware of its existence. So I've included all four links for readers' ease of use.Monotonehell 06:57, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Inspiration from Other Works

John Wyndham's Midwich Cuckoos

It seems to me that the plot premise for the series has much in common with the 1957 novel Midwich Cuckoos by John Wyndham. In the novel, a group of children, born to human parents under strange circumstances, are discovered to be members of a superior race with telepathic and other mental powers.

I can find no reference that Roger Price was in any way influenced by this book - or the films which were based on it, but the first of the films (Village of the Damned) was released in 1960, so it seems to me that there is a fair chance that he had either seen the film or read the book.

Anybody else think there's a link?

81.148.99.21 (talk) 18:10, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

No, not at all. Sorry.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 00:48, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

There might be, but you can't add "original research" to the article - that is, you'd need to cite some reference to a document or article from a reliable source saying there was a link, preferably one which directly quotes Roger Price (rather than some second-hand hearsay). Stephenb (Talk) 08:53, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

What Stephenb said, and then some. Without a few citable references, it is only your opinion that there is a causal relationship - or any other kind of relationship - connecting the two. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 06:14, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

The X-Men

As a 14 year old when TTP first came on TV my immediate reaction was 'its like the X-men'. The X-men had run in Fantastic (comics) Since 1967, so it was well known in the UK at the time. The X-men was about mutants - also called Homo Superior - children borne of normal human parents who's super powers manifest around the age of puberty and a secret organisation made up of teenagers with an adult mentor who seek out newly awakened mutants and help them to adjust. Don't know if there is any known link, but ignoring such a close precursor seems rude. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gaffer206 (talk • contribs) 23:16, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

I understand what you are are saying, Gaffer206, but rude or not, we can't even approach the mention of it without solid, reliable references that compare the two. Otherwise, it's just you drawing a comparison, and we - as editors - are not of sufficient stuff to be cited. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 06:12, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

proof early 60's X-men used the phrase Homo Superior - so it def wasn't invented by either Bowie or Tomorrow People. Article says it's from one of the first 7 x-men comic books so if dates are right going by wiki article about 63/64? http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/magneto2.jpg http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/08/13/comic-book-legends-revealed-220/ 109.224.137.121 (talk) 20:49, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

E.E. Smith's Galaxy Primes

The basic premise of the TP as entities capable of telepathy, telekinesis and teleportation, associated with the Galactic Federation appears to bear a great similarity to the psionic Primes and their interstellar Galaxian union that are the subjet of this 1959 novel Misterandersen (talk) 06:57, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Nelson S. Bond's Conqueror's Isle

A short story by Nelson S. Bond originally printed in Blue Book Magazine in 1946, and later reprinted in "Isaac Asimov Presents The Great SF Stories 8 (1946)" describes a group of people much like the Tomorrow People. They are described as being "a race representing the next step in man's progress," and uses the term "homo superior" to describe them. They have telepathic abilities, are extremely intelligent, and can't kill. The use weapons that anesthetize. Instead of jaunting, they have an ability to walk through walls. It seems likely that this story may have served as inspiration for the series. Pcrow (talk) 1:40, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

If you've got a source that says it was an inspiration, then please give it here; otherwise,it's just speculation that can't be added to the article. Interesting, though. Stephenb (Talk) 06:19, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Split apart

I propose that this article be split apart, and that each TV show get it's own article, so that this article can become a normal franchise article. As other notable TV shows have separate revival and original series articles, this show should as well. The latest revival, 2013 TV series, already has a separate article. -- 76.65.131.217 (talk) 22:18, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

No split

Normal franchise article? It isn't a franchise, so that is not really applicable. Similarly, I can find no mention of Price being involved in this one.

The 1992 series was a continuation (same writer, company etc.) of the original. The new U.S. series is not the same team, though Freemantle are involved (holders of the rights via purchase from ITV), it is unclear as to the extent of their influence in production.

A new page could be created for the 1992 serial, but the info should stay here as a summary of the continued series, negating the need for a new page. It would also be a small stub that may well repeat a lot of the info from this page, and as the 1992 series is merely a continuation I feel it does not really warrant its own page at this point. Chaosdruid (talk) 23:25, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

• It doesn't seem to me that the '90s series is a continuation of the '70s one: "After some pressure from executives, Price decided to start with a blank slate and so the show was almost completely different from its predecessor." The lede describes it as "re-imagined".—Ɔ Ȿ♭ இ ☎ ℡ ☎ 07:15, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

split if enough third person sources can be found to make the 1990s article viable. Dwanyewest (talk) 01:07, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Split so that this article is about the original '70s series. Mention(s) of reboots (or whatever they're being called) (all three) should be at least under See also section. Also split to make a franchise page to encompass 1) original '70s, 2) '90s, 3) '00s audio, and 4) '10s CW version. Finally, possibly split to make articles about '90s and '00s audio versions. When I first found this page I thought it to be a hodgepodge.—Ɔ Ȿ♭ இ ☎ ℡ ☎ 07:15, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Endorse franchise page. Whether the writers/producers are the same, this is still part of a franchise. There are vested intellectual property rights in the name and concept that would have to be transferred for this show to be made, which is at the heart of a franchise. To the degree that the concepts of the series are the same, the topic is WP:DABCONCEPT, and there is nothing to disambiguate. bd2412 T 01:41, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Split makes sense to me, given that we've already split for the current series. As I understand it, there are three distinct incarnations of this franchise: the original 1970s show (continued in Big Finish audio), the 1990s show which shares no continuity, and the new show. Makes sense for each to have its own article. If not, The Tomorrow People (U.S. TV series) should be merged into this one alongside the 1990s show. —Frungi (talk) 06:00, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

There was already a comprehensive edit which merged this stub back into the original, but it was instantly reverted without discussion. 203.42.164.210 (talk) 00:51, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Split. But the 1992 article will need a lot of work - at the moment it's pretty brief. Perhaps it could incorporate the serials list from the list of serials article.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 09:32, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Split the 1990s show into its own article if it can be expanded. 88.104.22.63 (talk) 23:48, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Merge There is not going to be much more information coming to light regarding the original series. There's nothing more to say about the 1990's reboot or 2000's audio continuation of the original series. Splitting those to their own articles will result in poor quality stubs. The current CW reboot will evolve more episode and actor information, but probably not much else. I suggest merging the CW page to this article, and merging the episode information to the already existing List of The Tomorrow People serials page. 118.210.181.79 (talk) 12:14, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Split If the new series, gets its on wikipedia page, after 2 episodes, then the original series which last for 8 seasons, should have it's own page, just for the sense of relevancy. A show that that has 2 episodes, that wouldn't exist without the original series, is relevant enough to get its on page?? The second series lasted for 5 seasons, and the first series is already long enough to have it's own page, it has more in the merge article then the 2013 remake of the remake does. It wouldn't be that much work to add to either series, wikipedia is world wide, and the show has been through 40 years, it wouldn't be that hard, considering that the 1973 series is already longer then the current article for the 2013 one, which will mostly be populated by behind the scenes quotes, scandals, and controversies, articles about the shows previous incarnations still exist, though they are few, but again they are there and have existed for decades, and everything the 2013 article has can be referenced and duplicated, for the other two series' Furthermore all the actors from the 1990's versions area all still working, Kristian Schmid(Nightmares and Dreamscapes, Packed to the Rafters,) Christian tessier,(Godzilla 2014) Naomie Watts(International movie star), Kristen Ariza (every other commercial on television). There is plenty to pull from.

No Split - This is an umbrella article for the different series with the same name. As there are different subject articles for each of the differing series, I see no problem whatsoever in maintaining this one. This doesn't mean we have to merge all the fine details of the individual series into this one; this article should not the sourced notes of differences in approach and execution of each series. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 17:05, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

The differences between the shows would remain here, and wouldn't be affected by a split, from the proposal above, since other franchise articles do that now. -- 65.92.182.36 (talk) 03:37, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

I think a split is a great idea although references to the previous series should be maintained to a certain degree KiwiTaicho (talk) 14:22, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Split - There is no shared continuity between the original series and the 1990s remake. It tells a completely different story. It doesn't make sense to consider them the same. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.52.174.68 (talk) 17:30, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Suggestion. Perhaps this article could remain as an umbrella article to all series with a short section on each series. The main articles could be then created: The Tomorrow People (1973 series), The Tomorrow People (1992 series) as well as the current series which already has its own article. The audio series could be included with the 1973 series - as it's obviously based on that (using the same actors for example). The List of episodes for the 1973/audio series could remain but the 1992 article could include its list within its article given that it'd be quite short. Another possibility would be simply to keep The Tomorrow People page as a disambig with links to the three series articles, but I think brief write ups on each (with links to main articles of course) would be nicer. --Tuzapicabit (talk) 11:55, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Comment. I think this page is fine in its current state. If anyone wishes to branch other series articles from it, that's fine, but make them notable enough to have a stand-alone article. Otherwise, it would be pointless to strip this one bare to simply have List articles. — Wyliepedia 23:00, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Actor who played "John" in the original 1973 U.K. series

I just deleted the name and link "Luke Mitchell" as the actor who played John and replaced it with "Nicholas Young (actor)", including a link to Nicholas Young's Wikipedia article. That's because this article is about the original 1973 U.K. series called The Tomorrow People.

The Australian actor, Luke Mitchell, plays "John Young" in the 2013 U.S. version of The Tomorrow People, which is still airing on the CW TV network in the U.S. and, presumably, in other countries (or will be airing in other countries in the near future). Luke Mitchell was born in 1985 and couldn't possibly have played any part in a TV series from 12 years earlier.

Toddabearsf (talk) 22:21, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Relationship between this show and The Sooty Show?

Is there some relationship between this show and The Sooty Show? List of Sooty Show episodes has a bunch of episode descriptions referencing Tomorrow People. Is that correct, or is it a mistake/vandalism? bd2412 T 13:50, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

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Australian Broadcasting Commission

Edited the List of The Tomorrow People serials and added this to its talk page, here for clarity ... I have been told repeatedly that The Tomorrow People were on ABC before broadcast on Seven in Australia. I have all the listings dates for Seven but have never seen any for ABC. While regionally broadcast in this era, ABC was still nationally networked and it is not conceivable it had any run on any Commission station without a presence across the nation. It is marginally possible it was broadcast as part of a larger children's block. MartinSFSA (talk) 03:17, 19 May 2018 (UTC)