Talk:The Walt Disney Company/Archive/2021

Payment models

I'm not sure how to include this but I think it is important, Disney's streaming business model includes classifying content as 'home video', keeping 80% of revenue. Also this is being challenged in court.

• https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/disney-bill-nye-streaming-1234910834/
• https://www.piratesandprincesses.net/disney-allegedly-uses-home-video-classification-to-keep-more-money-from-streaming/

John Cummings (talk) 23:01, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 May 2021

Add in the introduction that in the past few years, Disney has become a far-left and racist company, especially being racist against white people, wishes to defund the police, no longer believes in treating everyone equally but by skin color, and now mandates that people be hired based on "diversity and inclusion" rather than merit.[1] Maledoes (talk) 18:44, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done. An interview of a single person making unsubstantiated assertions is not a WP:RS. Aoi (青い) (talk) 19:18, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Products and services in the info box

Can someone more knowledgeable about corporate articles take a look at the products and services section of the info box and evaluate whether "licensing" belongs in the services section. In common use, one would normally expect that the licensing of IP would be a product (i.e. the license itself), but I'm not sure how Wikipedia has been treating this. Services, by comparison, are usually intangible items. Examples include banking, accounting, transportation, insurance, etc. Even "expertise" can be a service. I don't think the licensing of a company's own IP would be a service. (Now if we had a source that indicates that the company was providing licensing services for other IP owners, that might be different. But nothing in the article as it exists right now supports that.) Etamni | ✉ | ✓  06:32, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 August 2021 (2)

2A00:5400:E053:3D89:B0C5:9D56:BDBB:38E (talk) 18:49, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

I want I remove this one so I want to edit

 Not done: requests for decreases to the page protection level should be directed to the protecting admin or to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection if the protecting admin is not active or has declined the request. - FlightTime (open channel) 18:51, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Update Data

Hello, Wikipedians. The section in Financial Data tells the data till the year 2020 while it is 2021 and 2022 is already going to arrive. So, we should try to update the data to make Wikipedia reliable and helpful. This can also help the article to be selected as a good article. Regards, WikiSilky (talk) 16:17, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

"Disney" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Contribution about CEO announcement

Toohool Why did you remove my statement without giving me the opportunity to improve the article, instead of placing the appropriate tag in a place with which you disagree?

1. Firstly, my statement can be confirmed by other sources:

• Forbes
• Investopedia
• Businessinsider
• Bloomberg

2. Secondly, the source I gave is not spam, but meets the criteria Wikipedia: Reliable sources:

• A source is a source - this is an article with a well-known author in a specialized publication.
• The source is published and open.
• The source is independent and secondary.

In any case, I ask you to give me the opportunity and time to improve this edit.

Sources

User cruiser Ben (talk) 08:17, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Forbes' user pages aren't considered reliable sources, and as this hasn't happened yet, there's no point in including it. This isn't a newspaper. Trivialist (talk) 11:10, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Dear Trivialist

• Firstly, I am making edite not about actual changes in the strategy of the company but about the announcement of the CEO which took place on 11th November 2021 what as fact is confirmed by different sources: "Bob Chapek, the company’s chief executive, told investors at a conference on Tuesday that Disney plans to get “aggressive” about expanding its presence in sports wagering".

• Secondly, Bloomberg looks like a pretty reliable source both independent, secondary, and well known by their editorial staff for fact-checking.

Which way can we find the consensus in adding to Wiki article info about fact which have been confirmed by different secondary sources? User cruiser Ben (talk) 16:56, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Bloomberg would count as a reliable source, but this is still only something Chapek was generally talking about doing; WP:CRYSTAL and all that. Trivialist (talk) 01:53, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

This edit is not about what the company is going to do, it's about what Chapek told during Q4 FY21 Earnings Conference, his statement is notable enough and sourced well to be mentioned in the section about "Bob Chapek's leadership and COVID-19 pandemic" at Wiki article. I am not going to create the entire article for it. His words are not a reason for speculation, my edit maintains a neutral point of view. Let's add a direct quote to his words from the transcription: "We're also moving towards a greater presence in online sports betting, and given our reaching scale, we have the potential to partner with third-parties in this space in a very meaningful way".

Sources

— Preceding unsigned comment added by User cruiser Ben (talk • contribs)

I think the problem with the edit is that if you actually followed business news closely (as I have done for almost thirty years), you would be aware that companies announce all the time they are considering expansion into additional economic sectors. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball and it's not a soapbox (see WP:NOT). So WP generally refrains from covering such things until companies translate a vague interest into concrete steps, like actually buying existing companies or setting a specific launch date for a new product or service. --Coolcaesar (talk) 09:42, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Dears Trivialist,Coolcaesar as I see such edits really annoying you. You completely ignoring my point that this edit is not about what the company is going to do, it's about what Chapek told during Q4 FY21 Earnings Conference. In my opinion, such a case in the encyclopedia will show a complex and bright personality of Bob and significant differences between Bob and other CEOs. Without such details, the section segregated by names of CEOs is useless because we can't find info about their style of the managing company. We can delete the name of the CEO and just left the dates and periods.

And for my understanding can we use Wikipedia:Fringe theories guidelines to point out that his statement was met with big enthusiasm in finance media like Bloomberg, Forbes and etc? User cruiser Ben (talk) 12:53, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

@User cruiser Ben: This is an encyclopedia, not an informal profile of Chapek. The "complex and bright personality of Bob and significant differences between Bob and other CEOs" are your personal interpretations. Wikipedia articles shouldn't be showing "big enthusiasm" for their subjects, or anything else. Please see WP:PUFFERY § Neutral, factual tone, WP:SYNTHESIS and WP:NPOV. Trivialist (talk) 21:11, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

No other CEO of Disney has ever discussed this theme in such a way. It's a significant change in strategy mindset which also had been noticed by large independent media but I don't have too much time to make it clear for you guys. So if there are no more editors on my side I don't want to bother you by trying to make the article more relevant to upcoming data.

Let's vote for this change in a standard form for debates and close this issue. Please explain how can I start the voting process? User cruiser Ben (talk) 07:17, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

@User cruiser Ben: Please re-read Coolcaesar's comment above. Until the company does something concrete in that area, it shouldn't be included. Trivialist (talk) 15:54, 27 December 2021 (UTC)