Talk:The Way I Loved You

Expanding

Hello @Gained:. Is it okay if I jump in to expand this (yet to be) article with you? Ippantekina (talk) 07:58, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Okay, and actually, you can do everything you want in it. I abandoned this article a few days ago because I got bored. Gained (talk) 08:02, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:The Way I Loved You (Taylor Swift song)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Gained (talk · contribs) 04:36, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 08:58, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a. (prose, spelling, and grammar):

   b. (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a. (reference section):

   b. (citations to reliable sources):

   c. (OR):

   d. (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a. (major aspects):

   b. (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a. (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales):

   b. (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/fail:

(Criteria marked are unassessed)

I will review this fully today! --K. Peake 08:58, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Infobox looks good both times!
• "She wrote the track with John Rich and produced it" → "She wrote the song with John Rich and served as a producer"
• ""The Way I Loved You" is about" → "it is about"
• Remove pipe on country since contemporary country is linked in the same sentence, making this come across as a WP:OVERLINK
• "snare drum and loud and subtle" → "snare drum, and loud and subtle"
• Make the reception sentence the first one of the second para instead
• Add a comma after Hot 100 and mention that the certification was in the United States
• "the United States," → "the US," per MOS:US on mentions after the first instances
• "received certifications from" should be a new sentence saying "The song received platinum and silver certifications in Australia and the United Kingdom from the..." and then mention the two certification organizations, respectively
• "The re-recorded track received mostly positive comments" → "The re-recording received mostly positive reviews"
  •  Done all Gained (talk) 05:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Background and writing

• "contain autobiographical themes," → "contains autobiographical themes,"
• "said that Rich "was able to relate to it because" → "said that Rich managed to be relatable "because" to avoid overquoting and re-invoke the ref at the end of each of these sentences that use direct quotes
  •  Not done – I'm not sure about the sentence you suggested, I had to read it a couple times to understand it. I'm thinking of something like "said that Rich managed to feel for it" or something like that; what do you think? Gained (talk) 05:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

• "managed to relate to it" would work, if you are fine with that too? --K. Peake 07:30, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

  That should suffice. Gained (talk) 08:14, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

• "she is with her audience." → "she was with her audience."
• "her and Nathan Chapman and" → "her and Nathan Champman, and"
  •  Done the rest Gained (talk) 05:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Releases

• Img looks good!
• Remove link on Fearless and mention the position of the track on the album
  • Not yet done – I can't access the book as of right now to check if it includes the track's placement on the album. I'll update you at the end of this week. Gained (talk) 05:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

  I just added another source to mention and verify the track's position. Gained (talk) 10:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• Mention that the certification was in the United States
• Remove overly obvious link on Lisbon since this is a capital city
• Second para looks good!
• "with peaks of 94[21] and 24,[22]" → "with peaks at numbers 94[21] and 24,[22]"
• Mention the two countries those certifications were in
  •  Done the rest Gained (talk) 05:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Music and lyrics

• ""The Way I Loved You" is a" → "Musically, "The Way I Loved You" is a"
• "oriented country[4] and rock" → "oriented country, rock" and I would suggest moving all of these refs to the end of the sentence as the order generally lines up with info here

• You still need to change this to having a comma instead of "and". --K. Peake 07:30, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Whoops, I didn't saw that. Thank you for mentioning it! Gained (talk) 13:00, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

• Invoke the ref for the Slant Magazine sentence
• "believed that the song was" → "believed that the song is"
• Wikilink as tempo instead
• [32][33][34] is numerically ordered, so please move them all to the end of the sentence
• Audio sample looks good!
• "Emily Lee from iHeartRadio claimed that" → "Emily Lee from iHeartRadio felt that"
  •  Done all Gained (talk) 05:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
• Is 1990s grudge a typo from the source? If so, end the speech marks at take" and then write out 1990s grunge
  • Not yet adressed – Same problem as the Spencer book; I can't clarify it as of right now Gained (talk) 05:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

  I can now access it and... it was a typo of mine. Gained (talk) 13:00, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Critical reception

• "and wrote that the production was" → "and that the production was"
• "evoked her previous "Avril Lavigne-esque sneer [...] hits" but" → "evoked Swift's previous "Avril Lavigne-esque sneer [...] hits", but"
• "delightfully dramatic" [...] which," → "delightfully dramatic – which,"
• "was devoid of "radio-ready hooks and megawatt" → "is devoid of radio-friendly hooks and "megawatt"
• "gave it "new life"." → "give it "new life"."
• Remove link on Vulture
  •  Done all Gained (talk) 05:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Personnel

• Why is Nathan Chapman not listed as a producer?
  • I believe that the album's liner notes didn't mention him; I have now included him Gained (talk) 05:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
• Maybe align the first credits to the left and the second to the right?
  •  Not done – I don't know how to move the second to the right, is there a template that could do that? Gained (talk) 05:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

   Done Gained (talk) 09:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Charts

• Good

Certifications

• Shouldn't this section follow the previous one's blueprint of having the separate tables and captions rather than sub-sections especially since the first version only had one certification?
  • Oh yeah, I just noticed it and I have removed it to follow the previous section's format. Thank you for the thorough observation, it seems strange that we have different formats for these sections. Gained (talk) 05:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Note

• Good

References

• Copyvio score looks safe at 23.1%!!!!
• Ref 1 should cite the original URL (https://www.songwriteruniverse.com/taylorswift123.htm) with the archived link rather than the homepage of the website and the current duplicate of the same URL and fix MOS:QWQ issues
• Replace ref 7 and 18's people parameter with the others parameter
• Cite MTV as publisher instead on ref 11
• I am confused by ref 14; the original URL is CNN but the archive is CTV News, which one are you meaning to cite?
  • CNN; I believe I have copied it from another Swift song article and didn't check both links. I have now changed it to CNN.
  •  Done all Gained (talk) 05:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Sources

• Good

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold until all of the issues are fixed; this article is mostly smooth though! --K. Peake 11:45, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

  Hi, @Kyle Peake! Thank you so much for taking up this review. I will address your points within a few days for I am busy right now. Gained (talk) 04:42, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

• Hey, @Kyle Peake! I have addressed all of your points except for what I have explained above. Gained (talk) 05:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

• @Gained: I have addressed certain points above, although regarding the issues you cannot clarify right now will you look into these ones in the future or do you not have access to this information? If the latter, I am willing to assume good faith. --K. Peake 07:30, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

  @Kyle Peake – I will look into them; I only have access to the books through previews but the amount that I could access actually differ everyday. The books sometimes don't show certain previews that I want to look, which is the case right now. Gained (talk) 08:13, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

  Hi, @Kyle Peake! I have now addressed all your points. Gained (talk) 11:15, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• ✓ Pass now, you worked these in very fast well done! --K. Peake 13:58, 5 September 2024 (UTC)