Talk:List of northernmost items

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is there a point to this article??? Plough talk to me 10:52, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Pretty lousy indeed, though humourous. But I miss some of the most essential the world's most northerns, besides all these trivial ones: the world's most northern town/village/settlement for example. Caesarion 14:22, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

It exists already: Northernmost settlements. Orcaborealis — Preceding undated comment added 20:34, 24 October 2005

some of its completely wrong too. there are cold-latitude coral reefs off scotland and norway. BL kiss the lizard 00:07, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

And some of it's just stupid and obviously put in there to ensure America gets a few spots. Northernmost Denny's? Isn't that only in America anyway? Northernmost High-school American Football Team? America, obviously. Methinks some seppo got pissed at them Yuropeens beating them.--203.70.92.80 18:18, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Oksvågdalen

All other subjects have atleast a stub, Oksvågdalen needs some info, even if its just a breif paragraph about it.

This would complete the page until new additions are made — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bourbons3 (talk • contribs) 22:28, 25 November 2005

verify

how do u get this page off the verify list? wat needs to be verified? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bourbons3 (talk • contribs) 26 November 2005

How do we get citations for the items in the lists? It is hard, even if we get external links, they are often not correct, since it is common for a place or establishment to call themselves the World's most northern, even if it is not true. Often they believe and want themselves to be that, but there is something more northern. I have several times found that info has been added here with external searchable confirmation, but it was not true, something more northen existed.       At least we should have links that prove the existence of the item. To prove it is the most northern has to be done by checking that noone changes an item into something less northern, then the list will simply develop. For that the latitude info is cruical. --BIL (talk) 18:40, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Using latitude to determine northernmost is [WP:OR]. We must use reliable sources. Jojalozzo (talk) 13:52, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Page name

Perhaps a merge with Extreme points of the world and include southernmost items as well? -- Chuq 12:16, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

I agree. I'll try to make this possible. --Newguineafan 16:46, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Good idea, ill look into it

Bourbons3 22:25, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

I don't know that I'd merge this with the "extreme points of the world page", but I might change it to "List of northernmost and southernmost items", with the narrower tables having a "northernmost" column and a "southermost" column, but separate tables (or color-marking) for the northernmost and southernmost of things like trees. In fact, it might be best to use color-marking for the entire page. Pick one color for all of the "northernmost" things, another for all of the "southernmost" things. Tamtrible (talk) 02:08, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Coral reef

Removed:

*Tropical Coral Reef: Eilat, Israel

Coral reefs occur much further north (e.g. off the Scottish west coast, [1] and Norway, [2]; more info [3]), but I don't know how far north they go - MPF 17:04, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Northernmost I can find details of: [4]; putting this back in the article - MPF 17:15, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Article contains two conflicting items for northernmost coral reef. One under geography, and the other under animals. (Thankfully both Norway.) 31.209.224.194 (talk) 09:24, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

University, Hotel, Seaport

There's a university in Longyearbyen specialising in polar studies. I don't know if there is any particular reason why it can not be regarded as a university and if not it would trump Tromso by several hundred miles.

There is (was?) a hotel in Ny-Alesund too. My memory from my tour there is shaky so I can not remember if it is still operational so I'll leave for the moment.

Ny-Alesund would presumably count as the northern most seaport, but it's little more than a plank of wood next to the sea.

Added: General store, museum, public toilet — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.85.84 (talk • contribs) 22:03, 22 January 2006

The hotel in Ny Alesund is hard to define as a hotel. The town is a scientific research post where the only plane is not for general public and anyone arriving by cruise or yacht would just stay on there vessels, so I can't imagine anyone needing to stay there as a tourist and not just accomodation under the King's Bay company which owns the town. As for 'the most public toilet', Ny Alesund has one just past the old mining explosion site on a bridge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.220.139.199 (talk) 23:38, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Sex shop

I once saw an advertisement in a Finnish magazine for something claiming to be the world's most northern sex shop. If I remember correctly it was somewhere in Finnish Lapland north of Rovaniemi. I just can't remember what it is called or where it is located. JIP | Talk 12:26, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Been to Rovaniemi. I could say I have been in the worlds northernmost strip club. It's the one say 200 metres south of that McDonalds establishment that also is (/was) on the list. Ofcourse no one would believe me. I would make a guess that sex shops exist in Hammerfest.(Stat-ist-ikk (talk) 07:45, 21 May 2010 (UTC))

The worlds most northern city?

I see that Hammerfest is put up as the world's most northern city. This is, however, disputed, as Honningsvåg also claims to be the world's most northern city. The fact remains that Honningsvåg indeed does have an official status as a city, and that Honningsvåg also is further north than Hammerfest. Some argue that Honningsvåg has fewer citizens than needed for a city status, pointing to a 1997 Norwegian law that states that 5.000 citizens or more is needed for city status. However, Honningsvåg were declared a city in 1996, and the Norwegian constitution clearly states that no law can be given reversible power.

So, if we follow the Norwegian law requirements for city status, Honningsvåg is indeed the world's most northern city. As such, Honningsvåg should also be listed as the world’s most northern city at the Wikipedia.

Gunnerm 12:12, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

If you say so, you seem to know about it. Then why don't you edit this. I see in Honningsvåg they were declared a city 1996. Earlier on I have heard that Hammerfest is the northernmost city, maybe they don't accept losing ths title. On http://www.hammerfest-turist.no they write "northernmost town"("nordligste by" in Norwegian). That must be wrong since in US English (they lead the development of the language) town means also a rather small place doesn't it? Here we declare Longyearbyen as northernmost town. [5] My experice is that tourist progaganda can contain incorrect info. Honningsvåg also call themselves "by"(city"). So go ahead. /BIL 12:39, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I have now changed it, but instead of Honningsvåg, I've put in Barrow, Alaska as the northernmost city. I've also cheked out about Honningsvåg vs. Hammerfest, and Honningsvåg is at least Norways northernmost City. So if anyone should make a discovery about Barrow not being a city, please change the northernmost city to Honningsvåg!

How can you tell if a Norwegian location is a vilage, city or town? Aren't all three called simply "by", with no difference between the three? (Stefan2 16:55, 5 August 2007 (UTC))

Why isn't Tiksi listed as the Norternmost city and city (>5000). It lies further north then both Barrow and Tromsø. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mecil (talk • contribs) 17:17, August 24, 2007 (UTC)

References

Article title

I take it you mean "The world's most northerly", right? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.104.170.167 (talk • contribs) 01:36, 23 October 2006 (UTC).

"Northern" is acceptable here too; If the ambiguity is causing confusion (which I don't believe it is), "The world's northernmost" would be a better move. -- JHunterJ 17:06, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

The problem is that "most northern" doesn't actually mean "furthest north" at all (I'd like a citation to back up your point if you disagree). "Most northern" means "most like things found in the north" (and perhaps a few other things, but definitely not "furthest north"), which is not the same as "northernmost". I can't believe we're having to go through a full RM procedure for what is essentially a grammar fix. 81.104.170.167 17:34, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Oppose: This grammar-fiddling is a fix in our anon's imagination (or possibly this is BE dialecticalism again) See, for example, this site calling Alaska the nation's "most northern, western, and eastern State." Septentrionalis 20:18, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, because a site offering stock photographs is an authoritative source on the meaning of the word "northern" ... 81.104.170.167 21:39, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Oppose - As correctly guessed above, 1) this is a UK/US difference or actually only preference and 2) both "the northernmost" and "the most northern" are perfectly acceptable in UK English too. It is nonsense to claim that "Most northern" means "most like things found in the north" (and perhaps a few other things, but definitely not "furthest north"). Any UK dictionary would have shown the anonymous British amateur linguist that "northern" means "in or from the north" so "most northern" means "most in the north".

Lots of time is wasted on Wikipedia by unnecessary proposals and discussions that could be easily avoided by a short look into at least one UK and US dictionary or grammar. At the very least, one should do some Google searches before claiming that someone else's English is incorrect. Google results can only be used to prove that something is better if one takes a close look at the individual links because Google frequencies are often misleading, but they can be used to disprove the typical claims made by amateur "linguists" on WP that something doesn't exist or is incorrect just because it doesn't exist in the dialect of the amateur.

10,600 hits for "the most southern" site:uk

37,000 hits for "the most southerly" site:uk

915 hits for "the most southerly" site:edu

12,900 for "the most southern" site:edu

--Espoo 17:32, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

As there seems to be no consensus for the requested move after more than 5 days, I'm removing the listing from WP:RM. Cheers. -GTBacchus^(talk) 22:56, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

The world's most northern elevator

Where is the world's most northern elevator? --84.61.0.151 11:00, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

It seems that both Hotel Rica Spitsbergen Funken and Hotel Radisson SAS Polar Spitsbergen in Longyearbyen have elevators [6]. Of course there can be something furter north. --BIL 18:49, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

The world's most northern escalator

Where is the world's most northern escalator? --84.61.46.81 14:38, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

You could find out the phone number of one of the hotels mentioned above or the tourist info (if it is open) in Longyearbyen and ask. Write the answer here. Think about the time difference. BIL 17:29, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Accuracy / discrepancy

I noticed that the northern most city is at 70'89" yet Barrow,_Alaska shows a more northern latitude of 71'30". Which one is right? Ruben — Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.215.18.51 (talk • contribs) 23:21, 1 December 2006

Whether Barrow is a city is a matter of definition; the article itself wavers. It's not an independent municipality, and it has a population of only 4000. Septentrionalis 19:15, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

It may not meet the arbitrary 5000 population cut off, but Barrow became a first-class city in 1958. --skew-t (talk) 03:34, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Ny-Ålesund

Why doesn't Ny-Ålesund beat out Longyearbyen as the most northerly town? Nat 14:09, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I believe Ny-Ålesund is a community of scientist, staying for a relatively short time.Orcaborealis 22:26, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Palm Trees

Palm trees grow naturally in both Ireland and Britain, which are far more northern than the south coast of France... Jvlm.123 21:05, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Just corrected it Anorak2 10:15, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Not naturally occurring in Ireland or Britain, only planted. - MPF (talk) 01:44, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Is that a criterion for acceptance to the list? What counts IMHO is that they survive outdoors through the winter. Aren't palm trees in France planted? Anorak2 (talk) 08:15, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

It must be specified, and should mostly be kept to naturally occurring plants. Some species of Palms can even survive along the southwestern coast of Norway, and planted oak trees survives quite well as far north as Narvik, sycamore maple as far north as Alta. Orcaborealis (talk) 08:47, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

There are even these palmtrees that at seed-level, drifted across the Atlantic, and landed in the NW of Scotland. If I am to understand that they are not native to Scotland, what is the definition of being native? (82.134.28.194 (talk) 11:11, 25 May 2010 (UTC))

Bias

The list shows very slight knowledge of Russia, therefore Russian things are simply ignored. I suppose we should add a {{globalize}} tag to the page. --Ghirla^-трёп- 18:06, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

There are several Russian items in the list. If you know about Russian items that are most northern, you could add them in the list. BIL 23:32, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Mosque

According to this the northernmost mosque is NOT at Tromso but at norilsk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norilsk 82.29.70.34 02:07, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Tromsø is (slightly) more northern than Norilsk. --BIL 19:39, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Town/city

It says:

• Town Longyearbyen, Svalbard, Norway 78°13′N 15°33′E
• City Barrow, Alaska, United States 71°18'N, 156°44'W

What defines Longyearbyen as a town (and not as a city or a village)? Its official status as defined by Norwegian law is "by", which, depending on the judgement of the translator, is translated into "city", "town" or "village". In Norway there is no distinction between the three. (Stefan2 16:59, 5 August 2007 (UTC))

Northernmost synagogue

Is there a synagogue in Murmansk? This report from the JDC seems to suggest there isn't, and Federation of Jewish Communities of the CIS only mentions a cultural centre on its website. I'm asking because the synagogue in Fairbanks claims to be the northernmost in the world. -- Arvind 17:38, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Uncited items and citations

Uncited items

I have removed every last item flagged as uncited. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 06:48, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Citations

It is not sufficient to cite the existence of an item for this list. For the article to be encyclopaedic the citation must cite its status as most northerly, otherwise, for the purposes of this article, the item is uncited. Co-ordinated themselves are insufficient. I could add Nelson's Column to the list with co-ordinates, but that does not make it the most northerly monument, it simply locates the thing on the surface of the earth. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 06:48, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Vineyards....?

It's only ten years ago the record was in the near of Durham, UK. Maybe the record has been in ten different places by now?(82.134.28.194 (talk) 13:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC))

What is the criteria for inclusion? I read an article about vineyards in Sweden. A man tried to grow wine grapes in Örnsköldsvik, Sweden (63°N) and make wine. He got wine but it did not taste well according to the journalist. I find nothing on google now, he has probably ended the expriment.--BIL (talk) 21:18, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

This farm in Gvarv in Telemark, Norway, at 59 N, has 1,700 plants as of October 2009 and also got wine. They say it is a challenge to harvest the grapes before the frost nights. Link here (Norw). Orcaborealis (talk) 19:18, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Add "Northernmost City >10 mil"

Moscow, Russia. Page locked, couldn't add. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.127.80.59 (talk) 01:43, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Northernmost Mosque

There is a contradiction between this article and the "Tromsø" article on the location of the world's northernmost mosque. This page documents the location of the Al Nor mosque in Tromsø, which is slightly further north than Norilsk, so it appears that that the reference to the northernmost mosque needs to be corrected to the Al Nor mosque in Tromsø and the picture of the Kamal mosque on this page removed. The statement on the Norilsk page that the mosque of Norilsk is the northernmost mosque would also have to be removed.

This was discussed in July/August 2007. It appears that at that time the northernmost mosque was correctly listed as being in Tromsø, but at some point, this page must have been erroneously updated instead of the Norilsk page being corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xplorer7 (talk • contribs) 16:34, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Northernmost Palm Trees

I am not sure how this fits with the page. However, I know that there are palm trees in on the east side of Lake Lugano in Campione D'Italia at the coordinates of 45.961741N,8.968577E. This is 150 km north of Nice (what is listed on this page). You can actually see the palms in Google Street view. Should we update this page? Not home — Preceding undated comment added 04:58, 18 December 2012

>250,000: Murmansk or Arkhangelsk?

Murmansk has a population of about 300,000 and is located further north (at almost 70 degrees North) than Arkhangelsk. Therefore, this article should be changed to reflect that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30A:2C5D:52C0:58B6:D906:C717:8225 (talk) 02:24, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

I subscribe to this idea. Murmansk is located at 68 degrees N while Arkhangelsk is located at 64 degrees N. Please change. Mufalău (talk) 21:22, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

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Chilli farm

There is now a chili farm in Scotland, much further North than the one on this page - http://www.chillilicious.co.uk/ Avalon Hamakei (talk) 21:42, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

New suggestions

Hello. Does anybody know where are located the next world's northernmost items:

• traffic light = Inuvik?
• Confucian temple
• fountain
• prison
• lift or elevator
• video rental shop
• dairy
• boarding school
• religious school
• escalator
• driver's education
• sheep farm
• puppet theatre
• level crossing
• car wash
• television studio
• acupuncture
• Turkish bath
• modeling agency
• karate club
• conformation show? --Cupido1234 (talk) 13:33, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

https://www.vegvesen.no/vegkart is a database (in Norwegian) to road equipment such as traffic lights and roundabouts in Norway alone. It seems that Tromsø has the northernmost traffic light (three colors, not listin the red only which are used to block tunnels and mountain passes), and the northernmost roundabout is in Honningsvåg, even there are plans for one in Longyearbyen.--BIL (talk) 06:59, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

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Anything about the Shetlands?

Next to the ferryterminal in Lerwick is a roundabout where traffick runs clockwise. Should this be the worlds northernmost of a such description, or is there two more on the Shetlands, away from Lerwick? Stat-ist-ikk (talk) 20:16, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

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Lake

Isn't the northernmost lake in the world Kaffeklubben Sø? Should the lake entry be changed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malcolmmwa (talk • contribs) 16:43, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Indiscriminate trivia

The northernmost golf course needs to go too. Just because I removed only the most egregious trivia does not mean the rest of it is okay. WP:TRIVIA and WP:INDISCRIMINATE clearly apply here. If you don't understand that, perhaps we should have a discussion at WP:AFD, but I will not engage with abusive users making personal attacks. Reywas92^Talk 21:13, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Mass content deletion by a single user should be discussed

The consensus is to restore the information. This has been done.

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I'm not going to take a side in this since I live in an Arctic community and therefore could be accused of COI, but it seems reasonable that if a single person is deleting most of a page's content that has existed for many years (and suggesting it be deleted altogether, despite two previous AFD votes to keep it) there should be some discussion among editors about whether the removals are justified.2001:4618:5C66:0:A836:DCD1:3901:42E5 (talk) 12:14, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

I agree absolutely. My previous, now deleted comment didn't include a personal attack but it was a rather neutral description of this user's behavior with poor explanations. If somebody is thinking my previous comments were including "personal attacks", he must be a disproportionately thin-skinned person. --91.155.138.20 (talk) 18:11, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

So this comment is regarding the latest removals on this article made by User:Reywas92 [7]. I think his behavior is based just on his personal opinion and there needs to be more discussion about this topic and other user's opinions heard (that's why this rfc-template). How can be defined what parts of information are "absolutely absurd and irrelevant"? That sounds absolutely subjective and high-handed. Linked pages WP:TRIVIA and WP:INDISCRIMINATE don't give any exact definition about trivia and "indiscriminate information". One given reasons is that these places are itself unnotable - that's basically true, but their positions as the northernmost representative of their type is what makes them remarkable. --91.155.138.20 (talk) 18:16, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

• certainly (invited randomly by a bot) There should always be discussion among the editors. Jojalozzo (talk) 13:49, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Jojalozzo: Since you were bot-invited here (and therefore presumably neutral) any thoughts about the edits?2001:4618:5C66:0:A4AA:C2CC:B139:2F5C (talk) 15:00, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

• Restore the deleted material. The bot sent me. The deleted items seem to be well-sourced for the most part, and the "indiscriminate" description seems wrong given the categorization and objective criterion involved. Who's to say that the detail amassed won't ever be useful to biologists, anthropologists, or the like? The editor who deleted the material seems to think that amusement was the motivation behind the compilation ("barely-fun") which seems unlikely to me. I doubt they would feel the same way about a list based on altitude, and latitude is similar. EllenCT (talk) 00:32, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

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Alfheim stadium

Just read that Tromsø IL is at the bottom of the table. Does their record need to ne replaced? Stat-ist-ikk (talk) 00:16, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

While it is true that Tromsø IL (TIL) is not currently playing in the most elite league in Norway, they have done so every year since 1985, with the exception of 2001 and 2014. It's likely they will be back. Also note that there is no elite league plaid now, as everything is shut down. Also.... Alfheim Stadium is arguably not the northern most "football arena". The one in Alta is further north, but is it an "arena"? The Northern Most football team to play in the Norwegian elite league would be FK Bodø/Glimt, but are they north of those in Russia, Sweden, Finland, Canada, US? MarlinMr (talk) 22:44, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Northern most church bell

The northern most church bell is here said to be Bodø Cathedral, Bodø, Norway (67.2824°N 14.3821°E). But that can hardly be true. I personally live hundreds of kilometers north of Bodø, and the local churches all have bells. The source seems to be an article talking about the northern most church bell musical instrument. The kind that has loads of bells and is able to play tunes. Am I missing something? MarlinMr (talk) 22:24, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Parrots and Baháʼí faith centre

There is no real evidence provided for a Haziratu'l-Quds in Qaanaaq. The citation tells you that there was a member of the Baháʼí faith there in the 1950s, no more than that. No reference to any structure.

The northernmost parrot is contentious. There is an introduced population of parakeets in South-East England, for example, which is flourishing in the wild and has been established for some years.

sequence

I see that at least one of the lists is sorted by latitude; any objection to so sorting them all? (Low to high, I think.) —Tamfang (talk) 01:14, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Theme park

Angry birds park is cited as the wrong location. It is Tampere Finland instead. Not sure if that’s the northernmost. 2601:199:480:79D0:44D8:8109:B928:7454 (talk) 04:01, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Motorway interchange

The cited source for Notviken claims that it is the world's northernmost intersection between two expressways or highways. However, someone has just added an intersection near Murmansk. One can click on the co-ordinates and choose Google Maps Street View, and verify that there is indeed a road junction that uses grade separations there. I have found some documentation of this, although I am not sure that it would qualify as a reliable source: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=17489.0 Am I being too squeamish about reliable sources? If not, can anyone find one that would be usable? Bruce leverett (talk) 18:02, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

A lot of mistakes

Longyearbyen latitude totally wrong. It should be 78 deg 13 min not 78 deg 22 min in Others section.

Radisson Blu sauna is not the northernmost. Svalbad is northernmore.

Neither museum in Longyearbyen is the northernmost. There is a museum in Ny-Alesund is the northernmost.

Need fix.

— Python eggs (talk) 02:13, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Alert

The claim that the northernmost Tim Horton's is in Alert, Nunavut, looks bogus. The cited source is an aerial view from Google Maps in which one building is labeled "Tim Horton's" and another building is labeled "Walmart supercentre". I would like to see more evidence than just those labels. Neither Walmart nor Tim Horton's lists Alert in their store finder websites. Bruce leverett (talk) 14:32, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Moscow as largest metro area > 20 mil?

According to Moscow's Wikipedia article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow), its metro area is larger than 20 million and it's further north than New York (the currently-listed-but-not-cited-largest metro > 20 mil). JPE (talk) 15:34, 19 April 2023 (UTC)