Talk:The World of Yesterday
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Article is weak
editThis article is very weak, about this great book.Agre22 (talk) 11:47, 29 December 2009 (UTC)agre22
Corsets
editThe author writes extensively about this in the chapter "Eros Matutinus". And also "Unlike women, for whom living their sexuality before marriage was immoral, men saw this need recognized by the society; it simply demanded that the latter satisfy this need in the greatest secrecy. Also, prostitutes and brothels were numerous. Some fathers entrusted the task of sex education to a doctor, who recalled all the dangers of sexual relations. And other fathers hired a maid so that the young boy would stay out of danger and not fall in love with a young girl."--Akrasia25 (talk) 15:52, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Article issues
editThis article has two serious issues: 1. 7500 words about a single book is much too long. This book is a translation from German, and yet the article about it on Wikipedia in German is only 10% the length.
2. The article reads as if it has been translated from another language by someone not very familiar with English. Words are often in the wrong order, and very frequently the word "her" is used instead of "his" - suggesting the author write in a language where the possessive varies depending on whether the word is masculine or feminine. Greystar (talk) 11:27, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Yes. Greystar, did you have a look at the article history? There is more than a hint there. I'm not sure what action is needed but I will try and have a think or, better, ask someone more clued-up than I (which is almost everyone!) Cheers DBaK (talk) 13:55, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Clarification: I should perhaps try to help a bit more. Firstly, I see that Greystar is hardly a frequent flyer so maybe we will or will not hear further from them. Secondly, I see that the massive update that we are discussing was carried out here on 4 October 2020 by Akrasia25 (pinged herewith). Thirdly I am not sure that sheer size is a problem but I also know that I do not know how to address this – I don't edit much in literature, and would feel out of my depth trying to sort this out. Fourthly, I have mentioned it to Gerda Arendt on her Talk page in the hope that she or one of her legion of TPSs might show up and help, or know who can. And I think that is me done for now. Best to all, DBaK (talk) 22:00, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- This book has importance in several languages. I pulled translations from German, French, and Italian for my notes on a course I was taking so it will be longer than the German article. The author died in Brazil and it was made into a French movie. The French article is very very long. If you would like to make constructive edits to the article, go for it but saying what is wrong on the talk page is just fly by editing.--Akrasia25 (talk) 00:37, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- Adding ~5500 words without a single citation is an almost automatic reason for reverting, as is wholesale unattributed copying from the French Wikipedia. I recommend WP:TNT. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:42, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- Disagree. If you look at the edits you will see that I did attribute to the French article. And this is in line with many other articles on books as the book itself is the citation. Instead it is possible to put in the page references to those parts I suppose but there are many examples of other books to see comparable efforts.--Akrasia25 (talk) 14:52, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- Adding ~5500 words without a single citation is an almost automatic reason for reverting, as is wholesale unattributed copying from the French Wikipedia. I recommend WP:TNT. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:42, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- This book has importance in several languages. I pulled translations from German, French, and Italian for my notes on a course I was taking so it will be longer than the German article. The author died in Brazil and it was made into a French movie. The French article is very very long. If you would like to make constructive edits to the article, go for it but saying what is wrong on the talk page is just fly by editing.--Akrasia25 (talk) 00:37, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- Clarification: I should perhaps try to help a bit more. Firstly, I see that Greystar is hardly a frequent flyer so maybe we will or will not hear further from them. Secondly, I see that the massive update that we are discussing was carried out here on 4 October 2020 by Akrasia25 (pinged herewith). Thirdly I am not sure that sheer size is a problem but I also know that I do not know how to address this – I don't edit much in literature, and would feel out of my depth trying to sort this out. Fourthly, I have mentioned it to Gerda Arendt on her Talk page in the hope that she or one of her legion of TPSs might show up and help, or know who can. And I think that is me done for now. Best to all, DBaK (talk) 22:00, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- "A turning point took place in their fortnight: school no longer satisfied their passion". This is an example of nonsensical mistranslation, I think. (The French Wikipedia article has the same nonsense.) I suppose it means "when they reached the age of fourteen". I will change it but if I'm wrong let me know. Kanjuzi (talk) 06:46, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Hi, Thanks for taking my concerns seriously. It looks as if much of the poor translation from French Wikipedia has now been cleared up, and it reads better than it did. The problem of articles being too long is a more general one, and since I wrote my comment on this one back in 2020 many have simply grown longer and longer. But that needs to be tackled at a policy level. Greystar (talk) 08:32, 14 March 2024 (UTC)