Talk:The X Factor (British TV series) series 12

Map

Is wrong. Newcastle isn't in the south of England and Leeds isn't in Scotland.  — Calvin999 18:58, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

And Glasgow isn't in England. –anemoneprojectors– 10:16, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

I worked out how to fix it. It was easy. Just go to the article for each city, click the coordinates in the top right corner, and the page that loads gives you the correct coordinates for the map. –anemoneprojectors– 10:22, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Why isn't ratings table there?

When I go to edit the page, it's there.. but when I hit save, it doesn't show? ThatJosh (talk) 13:13, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Once official ratings have been released it can be unhidden --MSalmon (talk) 13:20, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Ratings

Note 2 in the ratings table says it includes ITV+1, but it does not. We haven't included ITV+1 before, so should it be changed? If we do, the numbers should be 7.98m for episode 1 and 6.73m for episode 2. If the weekly rank is for the ITV broadcast only, then they are ranked 2nd and 11th for the week, but if we include ITV, ITV HD and ITV+1, then they are ranks 2nd and 3rd for the week, but we didn't do that last year either. So which should we use?

Also, BARB now reveal the 28 day ratings when 4 weeks have passed, so I think we should wait until these are available and use them instead, as it's a truer figure that includes on demand for almost the whole time the episode is available. –anemoneprojectors– 13:49, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

I've changed "Includes ITV+1" to "Excludes ITV+1" per the figures given, and corrected the weekly ranks to 2nd and 11th per the note at the bottom, so at least the article is accurate while this discussion takes place. –anemoneprojectors– 13:51, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Six-chair challenge table

Hi, a table keeps appearing with NO sources detailing the outcome and songs of each contestant during the six-chair challenge. Does this really need to be included? --MSalmon (talk) 13:05, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

I was going to tag it for needing citations, but I agree that we don't really need it. We didn't have it in series 10 or 11, so I wasn't really sure why it was added this time. –anemoneprojectors– 14:10, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, wasn't sure what to do --MSalmon (talk) 14:19, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't realise that the table was still there, thought you had removed it --MSalmon (talk) 14:34, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

All I did was revert changes to the table, I didn't realise it had been removed and restored! :-) –anemoneprojectors– 16:42, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

I was the one who removed it because it was unsourced and we didn't use it before, and it got reinstated --MSalmon (talk) 17:02, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

I've removed it now, so if I see it back I'll revert. –anemoneprojectors– 17:15, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

I had the idea of putting it there so I'm sorry if I should not have done it. I'm a newbie and I don't know all these rules stuff. So I'm really sorry! Abmgama (talk) 17:52, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

You haven't even bothered to find any sources to back this information up so it WILL be removed --MSalmon (talk) 20:13, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Added sources and references as requested --Jackstarrzz (talk) 20:23, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

We will see how long the table stays there for --MSalmon (talk) 20:28, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I find your comments and way of words to other users extremely rude and disrespectful and would appreciate it if this was stopped. Thank You. --Jackstarrzz (talk) 20:23, 11 October 2015

Sorry, was just following Wikipedia guidelines --MSalmon (talk) 20:41, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Linking to ITV Player is not a reliable source. Can you find something that actually lists all the performances and results, including those that were not shown? If the table is to be included, then that's what's needed. However, it's still not needed. Only details of performances in the live shows are needed, per all previous 11 articles. –anemoneprojectors– 09:18, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

The sources are NOT a reliable source because not all of the acts were shown so we can't verify their songs. So I will remove it since no decision has been made about it. --MSalmon (talk) 20:14, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Even if it is fully and reliably sourced, it's not needed. Only the performances in the live shows are needed. We don't even need a list of who was eliminated at the six-chair challenge, as they haven't got far enough in the contest to be noteworthy - even the producers clearly don't think so since they don't show every performance. So the table can stay removed. –anemoneprojectors– 21:25, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

And I won't hesitate to semi-protect the article until this is resolved. –anemoneprojectors– 21:26, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, I will try to remove when I can but not all the time --MSalmon (talk) 21:28, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

So I've now semi-protected the page, and also put the names of the 24 successful acts in the correct section (6cc, not judges' houses), which is all the information needed for that section - who got through, not what they sang or what chair they sat in. Again, we only list the performances from the live shows. –anemoneprojectors– 12:57, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 October 2015

I really want to edit this article because I'm busy editing the Alan Partridge article. 86.162.163.174 (talk) 14:56, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. --I am k6ka ^{Talk to me!} _{See what I have done} 19:18, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Overs or Over 25s?

At the first live show, the overs category was only called the "overs", not the "over 25s" (at least within the first 7 minutes, which is what I've just watched!). Should we change "over 25s" in the article to "overs", explaining what it means? I wonder if it's changed because Monica Michael has just turned 26 since being selected as a wildcard. Does anyone remember if it was just "overs" at the six-chair challenge? Reasons for not changing are to be consistent with other articles and to go by third-party sources (i.e. not itv.com), though itv.com seems to be only using "overs" as well. –anemoneprojectors– 11:11, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

They are actually over-27's if I'm not wrong. Abmgama (talk) 14:37, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable source for that, or remember where you heard it? They certainly haven't said "over 27s" on the show, in fact I'm not even sure they've said anything other than "overs" at all. –anemoneprojectors– 14:58, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

User:Masterpeace3 has made the same claim on List of The X Factor finalists (UK series 12), but without a reliable source. –anemoneprojectors– 10:18, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Correct punctuation of Reggie n Bollie

Until the live shows started, the duo were referred to as "Reggie n Bollie", but over the weekend it was variously spelt "Reggie 'n' Bollie" and "Reggie 'n Bollie". Which should we use? The article currently uses two different versions. –anemoneprojectors– 08:21, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

For now I've changed everything (that wasn't already changed) to "Reggie 'n Bollie", but we just need to establish if this is correct rather than "Reggie 'n' Bollie". –anemoneprojectors– 11:39, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

The official website lists it as 'n' not 'n, so that is what we should use. --MSalmon (talk) 23:06, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

I did check that at the time but couldn't see any consistency. But I see they use 'n' on iTunes, so yeah, let's go with that. I'll update the redirects and stuff. AnemoneProjectors 23:09, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, and sorry I didn't realise there was a discussion before changing it --MSalmon (talk) 23:13, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

It was started a while ago so you can be excused! Though I tend to assume that if people have a page on their watchlist, they'll see the discussions - at least that's what I always do :-) I hadn't actually realised mostly in the article they were called "Reggie 'n' Bollie", so I probably should have just gone with it sooner. AnemoneProjectors 23:28, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

It is sorted now so the article is fine as it is, if it gets changed just send them here --MSalmon (talk) 23:29, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 November 2015

Edit 12th on alien uncovered 86.183.147.247 (talk) 21:00, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 21:17, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 November 2015

Please could you allow me to edit this page as I am a very keen X Factor viewer and I have a lot of background knowledge that is vital to be added to the website. Thank you :) Ayaldoctors15 (talk) 19:08, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

@Ayaldoctors15: Sorry, but new accounts may not edit the page. However, if you have information you think is worth adding, please specify here what you want to add and what published reliable source supports it. Then, an established editor can add it. —C.Fred (talk) 19:10, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Columns for Week 4

'Saturday' and 'Sunday' columns should be added for week 4, I have not added them because I don't want to get involved in edit warring so we can use this to reach consensus. Previously when public voting has frozen on a Saturday performance show two columns have been used (see the first three weeks of The X Factor (UK series 10). When the voting percentages are released at the end of the season there will be two sets - one for Saturday and one for Sunday so columns will be required then anyway.12bigbrother12 (talk) 00:10, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

There might not be two sets, The X Factor (UK series 11) only released one set when the same situation happened. Jack Walton and Only The Young were eliminated in the Saturday show. ThisIsDanny (talk) 00:32, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

I had forgotten about that last year, and when I sorted out the table I was going by the year they did have the flash vote. We can either have one or two columns for now, and then change it (or not) when the %s are revealed. My gut feeling is to keep two columns for now. AnemoneProjectors (Peter O'Connor) 19:13, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

The Final 1st song

Does the first song count as it was not part of the competition and just the song they entered the arena to? --MSalmon (talk) 22:15, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Sort of. But I think we've resolved it now through our edit summaries and I'm happy. Apologies for not checking here, I have only looked at the article and nothing else since tonight's show started. AnemoneProjectors 23:08, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Don't worry about it but I think it fine as it is now --MSalmon (talk) 23:12, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 December 2015

I would really like to edit factor 2015 please Kpboy46 (talk) 20:30, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

@Kpboy46: The article is currently semi-protected, so that only confirmed editors may edit it. You will be able to edit the article when your accounts becomes confirmed. In the meantime, you can request edits here. But, you have to be precise (like "change X to Y"), and you have to explain requested edits. Vanjagenije (talk) 22:17, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 December 2015

Ayaldoctors15 (talk) 22:38, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

 Not done You have not stated what you would like changed.--5 albert square (talk) 23:01, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

WP:COLOUR

WP:COLOUR states "Ensure that color is not the only method used to convey important information. Especially, do not use colored text or background unless its status is also indicated using another method such as an accessible symbol matched to a legend, or footnote labels. Otherwise, blind users or readers accessing Wikipedia through a printout or device without a color screen will not receive that information." Therefore, I have attempted the following:

Key:

 †  – Winner

 ‡  – Runner-up

 §  – Third place

Category (mentor)	Acts
Boys (Grimshaw)	Ché Chesterman§	Seann Miley Moore	Mason Noise
Girls (Ora)	Louisa Johnson†	Monica Michael	Lauren Murray	Kiera Weathers
Overs (Cowell)	Bupsi	Anton Stephans	Max Stone
Groups (Fernandez-Versini)	4th Impact	Alien Uncovered	Reggie 'n' Bollie‡

and

Key:

  – Winner

  – Runner-up

  – Third place

Category (mentor)	Acts
Boys (Grimshaw)	Ché Chesterman (3rd)	Seann Miley Moore (10th)	Mason Noise (7th)
Girls (Ora)	Louisa Johnson (1st)	Monica Michael (8th)	Lauren Murray (4th)	Kiera Weathers (11th)
Overs (Cowell)	Bupsi (13th)	Anton Stephans (6th)	Max Stone (9th)
Groups (Fernandez-Versini)	4th Impact (5th)	Alien Uncovered (12th)	Reggie 'n' Bollie (2nd)

Despite ongoing requests, nobody has answered the question of why they believe WP:COLOUR should not apply to this article. Therefore, I am asking here:

1. Why do people believe WP:COLOUR should not apply to this article? and
2. If it should (which it clearly should), which of the two options is best? I prefer the 2nd one, although that means the key doesn't make sense to someone to whom WP:COLOUR applies. AnemoneProjectors 10:29, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

I have invited two people to this discussion and still nobody has objected or given a valid reason, so I'm reinstating the first table. AnemoneProjectors 20:04, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

I like the first option better as it gives a key as well as a colour. Also, a user keeps removing the symbols without discussing it. --MSalmon (talk) 22:08, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

I prefer the first as well. There are two users removing this - I invited both to this discussion, both have refused to acknowledge it, or to discuss or explain their edits. One of them has been blocked twice. Their next block will be much longer. AnemoneProjectors 15:36, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

I prefer the first. Yeah I have noticed them removing and have tried to keep on top of it. Other than blocking I don't see what else can be done, the hidden comments are there, messages have been left on this talk page and their own. ThisIsDanny (talk) 17:08, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Do you think it is worth doing it for the other series as well? --MSalmon (talk) 23:10, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

It should be, yes. I just hadn't got around to doing it. AnemoneProjectors 11:59, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

@ThisIsDanny and MSalmon: Just wanted to say, if you revert anybody for this (especially someone who has already removed this before), can you either give them a vandalism warning on their talk page or send me a message so I can do it - I found an un-warned revert from 3 days ago but it's too late to warn now I think - and the user is already on a 3rd warning. Or if I'm not around and you find a user has already received a final warning and then made the same edit, report them to WP:AIV. Thanks :-) AnemoneProjectors 16:14, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

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Live Shows

The article refers to "Xtra Factor" that I have never heard of before. Are these typos in this section? SquashEngineer (talk) 05:14, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

No, it's the ITV2 companion show. If you watch The X Factor, you'll have heard of The Xtra Factor. It's linked in the lead section and the "Judges, presenters and other personnel" section, but it could also do with a link in the live shows section. AnemoneProjectors 09:12, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

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