Talk:The X Factor (British TV series) series 6

Judges and Presenters Section

Who has information to back up the alleged feud between Dannii and Cheryl. If there is nothing within the next two days, I will likely remove it. Joe dawg 9 (talk) 00:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Addition

A useful story here for the article:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/08/04/relax-factor-115875-21569821/

Cowell's batchelor pad isn't that important. More so, is the fact they're no longer moving studios to the ExCel Centre, that they're revamping the current ones at Fountain Studios, and that the opening credits are likely to feature the judges.

I would add it myself but I scarcely have the time these days! Sorry :)

Thanks. Wiki edit Jonny (talk) 10:50, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

There's an interview here with Simon Cowell and perhaps some of that information could be included. I might get around to it one day. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 13:13, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Sponsorship sources

We don't know if the source we're using now will delete the article, so just storing these here- [1][2][3][4]. DJ 19:36, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

London Location

The artical currently says Excel centre, but in the programme they are clearly at the O2Back ache (talk) 10:43, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Find a source that says they're in the O2 and it will be changed. DJ 12:50, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Initial auditions were at the O2 (see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8209429.stm). The filmed auditions in front of a live audience were at the Excel (see http://www.dailystar.co.uk/playlist/view/95257/Simon-s-X-Factor-strikes-gold-again). BrianNicholls (talk) 15:02, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Tabular presentation of ratings

Despite the objections raised, it is plain to me that a tabular ratings layout, such as we have here is much easier to digest than a prose format, such as we have here. It doesn't matter so much when there are only three episodes, but as the number of episodes increases the prose version will become more and more impenetrable and unwieldy. 86.152.243.242 (talk) 17:37, 10 September 2009 (UTC).

I'm with 86.152.243.242 - tabular format is much easier to digest. What part of the MOS justifies reverting the table to text all the time? I42 (talk) 18:54, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

I think a table would be better for the number of episodes there are, especially a sortable one. Having it as prose after 15 episodes will be incredibly boring and repetitive to read. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 19:40, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Results summary table

Do we really need constant reminders of who is mentored by whom? It'll be in the finalists table, I don't think it needs to be in the results table as well. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 10:21, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

It is a summary, it should summarise things that are already elsewhere in the article. It should stay in my opinion 12bigbrother12 (talk) 00:59, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

It's a summary of the results, of the live show details section. The finalists table is there to let us know who is mentoring whom. I don't think it adds anything and it doesn't really look that nice. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 11:12, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

The same applies to the weekly song tables. We know who is mentoring which act already, there's no need to repeat it every single week. I don't know why it was decided to add it last year but it's the only one of the five series that mentions the mentors so many times, and I see no reason to have it there. By the end of the series we'll have mentioned who mentors which acts 12 times. Two is enough in my opinion. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 20:00, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Live show sections

Why are whole sections necessary for each live show? Why should each judge's vote be included in each of these sections, even though they are already detailed in the "Results summary" table? Dt¹²⁸ let's talk 20:39, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, the summary table is a summary of the live shows, and the live show details sections are for details of the live shows, so to me it seems strange to include something in a summary but not in the detail. The sections make it a hell of a lot easier for editing, so please can we at least keep them until the series ends? AnemoneProjectors (talk) 21:06, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Update

The live show area- Whitney Shakira and Cheryl are definites wit the others as maybe. --Cooly123 21:46, 10 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

Judges' Votes

I think we should say why the judges chose to eliminate the conttestants, it should make it more clear. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.134.211 (talk) 20:09, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

I see that's in last year's article. Perhaps it would help, yes. What do other people think? AnemoneProjectors (talk) 21:06, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Cover versions

In the song details tables, we always put the original artist, as we should, but this year we've added versions as they are the artists listed on The X Factor's website, showing who the "heroes" were. Someone has removed Robbie Williams from "She's the One", saying it's the same, but Robbie Williams was the hero, not World Party. I think we need to come up with a way of giving the original artist and the name of the hero where it's not clear from the original artist, otherwise it looks like World Party is the hero. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 09:30, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree, as it already says with some of the songs already. W93 (talk) 10:10, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

This has obviously been solved, but do we need the column for divas week? AnemoneProjectors (talk) 11:42, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Oct 17-18

Any update on Cheryl performing? First its live then a tapped performance, now she is out completely. --Cooly123 00:32, 14 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

Results Show

Is the Sunday Results Show broadcast live or is it pre-recorded? MSalmon (talk) 11:14, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Broadcast live. The voting lines close during the show. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 11:26, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh I didn't know cos I haven't watched it this year yet MSalmon (talk) 11:48, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Results Table and "Bottom 2"

I dont think Rachael and Kandy rain should be noted as 11th and 12th, and should be marked as "Bottom 2". We only know they finished in that order because it was deadlock. In future results we won't know who actually finished bottom in the public voting, and so have to note then was "Bottom 2". It would look stupid it have Kandy Rain noted as "12th" and everyone else as "Bottom 2". I think until the full voting percentages are revealed at the end of the series all acts in the Bottom2 should be marked as "Bottom 2". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arneldo (talk • contribs) 16:09, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but if you look at the key the blue background indicates Bottom 2, so it should remain as that for now until % are released MSalmon (talk) 16:12, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

So when tonight's bottom 2 are announced and X & Y are are bottom 2. X received lowest number of votes, but Y is sent home. Y will be noted as "11th". Last series it worked well as every act in Bottom 2 noted as "Bottom 2" until the voting percentages were revealed at the series finale. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arneldo (talk • contribs) 16:16, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Ok, if you want to put it in then it is fine but it defeats the object of the key MSalmon (talk) 16:18, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, but only until the final voting percentages are revealed on final night. I just think it wouldn't make sense to note an act as "11th", "10th or whatever when we don't actually know what place they have finished in for weeks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arneldo (talk • contribs) 16:21, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

If there's no deadlock then it will not known which of the two acts was 10th and 11th, so these two will have to be recorded as "bottom 2" regardless of who actually goes home. When there is a deadlock the results can be more precise. Why is this a problem? I see no reason to discard the information we have about the bottom two places when it is known just because it won't be known every week. I42 (talk) 16:25, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

(ec) As we know the information, there's no harm in including it, even before the actual percentages are known. If there's no deadlock tonight, then we won't know who came 10th and 11th and will just say "Bottom two". AnemoneProjectors (talk) 16:32, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

• My opinion is that it would be better to always show contestants as "Bottom two", even when the result goes to deadlock and the actual bottom-two order is revealed. I think that people who don't understand the format are more likely to be confused than enlightened by the sporadic appearance of exact placings for non-obvious reasons. It kind of looks like a mistake. People who do understand the format don't need to be told because they can, if they want to, work it out from the fact that the result went to deadlock. Matt 12:08, 20 October 2009 (UTC). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.133.242.29 (talk)

• How about eg "Bottom 2 (11th)" and a footnote which explains why it says "11th" in addtion to "bottom 2"? I42 (talk) 12:20, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

That might be better, because I think people are getting confused as to what we actually mean by 12th and 11th. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 13:33, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Done. Feel free to revert or amend it if you don't think it works! I42 (talk) 14:03, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

It still hasn't worked because people still think it should say Rikki came 11th, they don't realise it means that week rather than in the show overall. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 15:00, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

I would just leave it as "Bottom Two" for now until after the final when the voting percentages are revealed MSalmon (talk) 15:02, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Also, I don't like it, it's a bit cluttered. We should either say Bottom two or 12th, I think. We just need people to realise what it means. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 15:05, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

What about leaving Bottom 2 for the act that was saved that week, and put the rank for the eliminated act? MSalmon (talk) 15:07, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

That would be even more confusing. Shall we just put bottom two and forget placements the entire voting percentages are released? AnemoneProjectors (talk) 15:14, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

That works for me MSalmon (talk) 15:15, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Seems like we should be able to resolve this, but it's not worth expending the effort! I42 (talk) 15:58, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

How was the results summary done last year, anyone remember? MSalmon (talk) 17:20, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

I had a look at an old revision of the page and last year "bottom" was used when it was deadlocked. I'm sure if I hadn't been on Wikibreak this time last year I'd have disagreed with it - and especially with "will compete"! AnemoneProjectors (talk) 18:00, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Why don't we use that instead to keep with trends? MSalmon (talk) 18:02, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

(undent) If we're going to say "Bottom" we might as well say "12th" and put back that Rachel was 11th, which is what I'd prefer, but people seem to be misunderstanding what it means and changing it. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 19:04, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Ok so the percentages and results for non-deadlocked contestants are released on the finale but we know who was 11th and 12th as it was deadlock and the 12th placed contestant left. Simple as. It also makes more sense to the reader as they can see that Kandy Rain left due to the public vote as it says '12th' which is 'last' with rikki being 'bottom 2' this shows that he was eliminated by the judges and not the public vote. We should put 11th for Rach and 12th for Kandy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.4.209.184 (talk) 21:30, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

I still think it's easier and clearer just to say "Bottom two" every time. The table shows a few rows down when a vote went to deadlock, so anyone who understands the format can tell what happened. I doubt that anyone who doesn't understand the format would be able to figure out why exact placings are given for some candidates and not others. I think they would just find it confusing. Sorry, am I just repeating myself??!! Matt 12:03, 21 October 2009 (UTC). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.194.248 (talk)

I know, but people keep chaning it back when you put in Bottom 2 every time, so I would just leave it as it is for now MSalmon (talk) 12:23, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I think we need to add something like "position in weekly voting is shown, where known" but worded better. We could put this in the key after "Contestant was in the bottom two and had to perform in the sing-off" or above the table, or somewhere else if anyone has a better suggestion. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 13:26, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I have added some notes next to the rankings for Week 1 so that people don't keep changing them, please feel free to add or change anything MSalmon (talk) 14:18, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

That might be less successful than you imagine - I tried that a few days ago. In the end I ended up with this, which was probably going a bit far. I42 (talk) 15:38, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

[Response to MSalmon]. I have never changed this in the article (except once by mistake when I accidentally reverted the wrong edit, which I immediately reversed). I see that people have been changing it back and forth, but I've had nothing to do with that. I'm merely expressing my opinions here on the talk page. Matt 22:43, 21 October 2009 (UTC). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.133.240.197 (talk)

Why oh why oh why

...does it take about fifty edits to update the results when it could be done in about three or four? AnemoneProjectors (talk) 20:05, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Oct 24-25

Westlife will apparently perform a different song according to Dermot on the Oct 18th live show ending.--Cooly123 20:56, 18 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

Did he say what song? AnemoneProjectors (talk) 21:24, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes he did and I will try to find what we said exactly.--Cooly123 01:30, 19 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

Idea

I propose that we list in each show section celebrities in attendence for that particular show. Example: Oct 18 members of Girls Aloud and Ashley Cole. This can also be added to past seasons as well.--Cooly123 01:32, 19 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

People sitting in the audience is not important to the show. It is very trivial information and very few people would be interested in knowing who was there. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 11:25, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

The Xtra Factor

Can we add more information about the spinoff show it seems rather short.--Cooly123 15:20, 19 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

I don't think there's anything we can say about The Xtra Factor that's specifically about series 6. There are more details on The X Factor (UK). AnemoneProjectors (talk) 15:45, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Well Backstreets Boys will perform this weekend.--Cooly123 00:29, 31 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

On The Xtra Factor? I rather doubt that. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 00:33, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

The tables

Stop using small font for everything in the table. It looks stupid and inconsistent with other seasons. I understand if you want to only put the (original artist) in small as the song is ultimately more important than the original artist but quit with the small. 92.4.209.184 (talk) 21:32, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

"I Didn't Know My Own Strength"

Hey all. I think it is worth adding the significance of Danyl Johnson's song selection this week just gone... primarily because I'm fairly sure it's the first time in X Factor history that a contestant has sung a cover version of song that hasn't even been released yet. Chico Slimani sang "It's Chico Time" in series 2 however this song was written specially for him and was not a cover version.

I guess it can be added to that week's notes, under the bullet points explaining the theme etc. What do people think? Thanks — Wiki edit Jonny (talk) 19:17, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I think that beacuse it's the first time it's happened, it's worthy of mention, as long as there's a source for it. I'd put it just underneath the table of songs for that week, similar to Week 1's explanation for Walsh's absense, etc. I'm sure I read somewhere that Whitney was "furious" that Simon used that song because she wanted to premiere it herself, although it was also said that she gave him permission to use it. That could also be said, if sourced. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 20:03, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Leona for the 8th

Leona is performing on the 8th of November - http://www.xfactor.tellymix.co.uk/2009/10/23/963/leona-to-appear-november-8th.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.24.16.50 (talk) 00:27, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Let's hope she has the decency to sing live then... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.138.41.250 (talk) 01:03, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Semi - Protection

Why is semi-protection being used on this page? I don't think there has been any vandalism and your not supposed to use that feature for "prevention" either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.42.49.53 (talk) 17:44, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

And after looking in the protection log, the reason I saw was "Excessive Vandalism" - when did this exaggeration occur and was it really necessary to protect the page because of it?

Yes, there was excessive vandalism yesterday. Protection ends in less than an hour. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 19:23, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Danyl/Miss Frank deadlock

Is it fair for it to be said on the table for this week or in the results summary that cheryl voted for danyl to go home. She didn't. She voted for a deadlock... She only said 'danyl' as a default so that the names could be even. It's like in season 5 with girlband + ruth. Simon didn't want to eliminate Ruth he wanted to 'take it to deadlock' and that's what cheryl wanted to do. Especially in the results summary where it says 'cole's vote (to eliminate)' she didn't want to send Danyl home she wanted deadlock 92.4.209.184 (talk) 00:28, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes it is fair to say she voted for Danyl because she voted for Danyl. The reason is explained. There's no such thing as a "vote for deadlock". AnemoneProjectors (talk) 01:25, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

John and Edward

According to The Sun, this week they got the most votes of all 10 acts. Dubious source, I know, but I thought I'd mention it here. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 01:12, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Also on The Daily Telegraph site. Looks like something we can add to me. I42 (talk) 12:27, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't agree with it's inclusion. It is unconfirmed newspaper speculation. If ITV or any other source associated with the show confirmed it then I would agree with it's inclusion. 12bigbrother12 (talk) 00:07, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree. It looks like Telegraph got the story from The Sun, but they don't actually specify their source. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 00:18, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Agreed with 12bigbrother12 and AnemoneProjectors. The Sun doesn't say where they got their info, so I will take this out for the time being. If an official source (such as ITV) confirms it, we can reinclude it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joe dawg 9 (talk • contribs) 00:47, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm quite happy with the "we don't want this in / it does not fit" line (so let's leave the info out), but I'm not sure about the above reasoning. The Daily Telegraph is a Reliable Source, and even if it's false information don't forget the tenet "verifiability, not truth". I42 (talk) 10:39, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

There is now further reason to leave the information out; another newspaper has claimed that Rachel Adedeji got the most votes in the same week. [5] 12bigbrother12 (talk) 11:14, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

I was just coming to post that. The Daily Star have the same story [6]. So it looks like the twins cam 3rd from bottom and Rachel came top. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 11:30, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh, Digital Spy is just reporting on the Daily Star story. We still can't really use the information though, unless ITV confirms it, which I'm sure they won't until the end of the series. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 11:33, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

The judges said on Xtra Factor last night that they have no idea what the detailed results were and won't until after the series has finished. They acknowledged that it is possible the newspapers have contacts that have leaked it, but couldn't confirm or deny it. --Tango (talk) 21:26, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Bolding

I understand that the contestant names in the 'judges vote' section should be unbolded as the one that is eliminated e.g.rikki Loney is bold and the unbold names should not be emphasized as much. I do think that Cowell's vote to eliminate should be bolded and not cowell's vote (to eliminate) as it looks unproffessional and unnecessary. The 'Safe' should be bolded as at the end of the season we will bold the 'Safe' or placement e.g '1st' and have the percentage underneath it 86.45.62.13

I agree about "Cowell's vote to eliminate" etc but I don't see why we should bold the positions once they're released. Even if we do bold them, there's no reason to bold "Safe" etc now. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 16:26, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Controversy re: Week 3 bottom two

Was just reading the controversy section and saw this: "Ofcom recieved more complaints on Week 3 of the show, after the majority of the public were shocked at Danyl Johnson and Miss Frank being in the bottom two." I know it was a shock and everything, and maybe people did complain (I don't see the validity of the complaint though), but I think it'd be better off without this line. It's not cited, but apart from that it's neither controversial nor critical of the show. It was simply a surprising result. Any thoughts? 86.42.90.23 (talk) 16:32, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

I thought I'd removed that already. Someone must have reverted me. It's gone again. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 16:40, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

If we have a reliable source and it was a large number of complaints, then it is worth including, but with no source or if it was just a handful of complaints, then it shouldn't go in. --Tango (talk) 23:21, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Judge's vote...

I think it should just say [Judge]'s vote in the table, rather than [Judge]'s vote to eliminate, as it's obvious they're voting to eliminate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.172.243.235 (talk) 17:45, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

We tried that but people were changing it around to show who the judges effectively saved, so I think it's going to be necessary. People who aren't familiar with the show may also be confused. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 17:49, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Celebrity Performers

On The 29th of Novemember, Rihanna Will Be Performing Her Lead Single Russian Roulette On The X-Factor as it was confirmed by rihanna herself. {{Editsemiprotected}}

Jordanleebellamy (talk) 05:49, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

 Not done Please provide a reliable source for this information, and make the request again. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 11:01, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Week 5

I've just noticed that week 5's songs only mention who sings them, and not the movie they are from. Would it not make sense to add what movie the songs are from considering it is movies week? I just thought I'd bring it up :) W93 (talk) 02:23, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Eliminaion Comments

Just wanted to ask a couple of things about the "judges-elimination-comments" sections:

1. Why can't we be on first name terms with contestants, like it is in series 3-5 articles? 2. Would it be necessary to quote what the judges said? 3. Would it be necessary to say the contestant was sent home via majority/deadlock vote? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.134.209 (talk) 11:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Good questions.

1. This is an encyclopaedia, and we shouldn't be referring to people by their first names. Some of the older articles have been updated to include full names but some haven't. This is something that should be fixed.
2. I think it helps to give the judges' reasons.
3. We do say who went in the case of deadlock. I think with a majority vote it's obvious because the judges' votes are explained under "Live shows".

Hope that helps. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 12:09, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Rihanna Performance Source

[7] Doesn't say when though. The Russian Roulette article editors have put November 29th but no source was provided. Loveable Daveo (talk) 13:59, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

It's been included in the article since two days ago. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 15:22, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi, in regards to Rihanna performing on the show, a source (Digital Spy) has confirmed that it will be this month, but no official date has been announced yet, so please do not keep adding onto the Live Shows section of the article otherwise it will be reverted until confirmation of date has been announced. Thanks MSalmon (talk) 15:07, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

The Daily Mail says "Rated R is set for release on November 23 and with her scheduled appearance on The X Factor the day before she is sure to get a huge sales boost." Is that confirmation? AnemoneProjectors (talk) 22:56, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

I would wait until ITV have confirmed it to be honest MSalmon (talk) 22:57, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Digital Spy has been used as a source now but I removed it as it's still not confirming the date. Sigh. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 00:41, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Can somebody add Mariah Carey Performance

Mariah Carey will be preforming on the X factor mariah's website has confirm the performance can somebody please add it in.

http://www.mariahcarey.com/news/news.php?uid=2690 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.241.242.160 (talk) 21:59, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Winner's Song

Does anyone know what the winner's song will be? Normally it's announced when the finalists are announced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.172.243.235 (talk) 22:25, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

It's not normally known until we reach the final 4 or 5. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 22:42, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Can we place that Journey's "Don't stop believing was suggusted to be the cover song for the winner, yet they didn't want the song for the show.--Cooly123 17:30, 18 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

You mean that Simon Cowell wanted it but Journey refused to let him have it? I guess so. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 18:41, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Original artists - Queen

Should we put (original artists) for Queen week? Even though all tonight's songs are Queen songs, apart from John & Edward's (Louis cheating??), the bottom two songs probably won't be Queen songs. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 20:50, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Why do John & Edward have two songs for them? MSalmon (talk) 21:01, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

They performed one song but it was part "Ice Ice Baby" and part "Under Pressure". Do you not watch the show? AnemoneProjectors (talk) 21:57, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

I was watching Strictly, so I dodn't see any of it MSalmon (talk) 22:01, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Oh, even the last hour? It was a mashup. I guess Lloyd did the same thing with "Stand by Me" and "Beautiful Girls", though that's not mentioned. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 23:27, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Betting rings

Can someone add this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1227940/Pirate-phone-operator-hijacks-X-Factor-lines-free-website-allow-betting-rings-foreign-voters-rig-results.html please? I don't have time myself. Thanks. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 16:13, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Jedward

A user is repeatedly reverting the article without discussion. It needs to be discussed! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.45.197.89 (talk) 22:54, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Discussion started at Talk:List of The X Factor finalists (UK series 6)#John and Edward - independent notability?. I42 (talk) 22:58, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

• Keep, clearly notable, see political comments, influncing of celebrities, fans storming Simon Cowell's office, all the discussion in the media. Please read the article. Passes General notability guideline by miles. --86.45.197.89 (talk) 23:01, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
  • This duplicates acomment made at the location linked above. No need to fragment the discussion. I42 (talk) 23:04, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Lucie's elimination

...isn't mentioned on the contreversory (sp?) article, this article, the "Jedward" article or the list of finalists article. With many fans outraged after the results show and the fact it was mentioned a lot on Facebook, Twitter, newspapers, etc., it's obvious that Simon Cowell's decision caused contreversory (sp?). Why is this not mentioned anywhere?

It is at the end of The_X_Factor_(UK_series_6)#Controversy_and_criticism I42 (talk) 15:14, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Not any more it's not. Why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.177.31.120 (talk) 15:52, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Danni's comment

Should Danni's comment that it 'should be a singing competition' included or not? MSalmon (talk) 21:37, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Under results summary in S4W1: The_X_Factor_(UK_series_4)#20_October_2007, it states that Simon's reason was to state that it was a "singing competition". I don't see why that cannot be applied here to Dannii's comment. Dannii did actually say something, so "gave no comment" is a bit inaccurate. We could write it as "Stated that it was a singing competition" perhaps, showing that it's not a reason (if we agree it is not an accepted reason)? --Ictl (talk) 21:38, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Of course this should be edited, saying that they gave no comment could not be further from the truth! Dannii even actually asked the other judges and make a lenghty speech. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.55.198.124 (talk) 12:39, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Finale

According to reports made today the final will feature

Live performances from

• Beyonce "Video Phone"
• Timbaland, Nelly Furtado, SoShy "Morning After Dark"
• OneRepublic "TBA"
• Madonna "Revolver"

Celebrities to perform with contestants

• George Michael
• Neyo
• Little Boots/Pixie Lott

Winners song

• The Climb (by Miley Cyrus)

i read all of this but im evaluating the sources and trying to figure out if any of the sources are actually verifiable. it sounds like awesome lineup personally but we'll wait and see i guess. (Lil-unique1 (talk) 01:01, 29 November 2009 (UTC))

Could you list the sources here nonetheless? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.157.137.40 (talk) 20:17, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Its been removed from the site. Presume this is because the information is set to change. (Lil-unique1 (talk) 22:21, 30 November 2009 (UTC))

New colour

I added a new colour for Lloyd's position in week 8 as he was neither safe nor in the bottom two (as there was no bottom two) I hope you don't mind —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.129.162.158 (talk) 21:56, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Week 8 ratings

Overnight Ratings for Saturday - 12.3m average, peaking at 13.9m Not sure how to include it! source: http://www.xfactor.tellymix.co.uk/2009/11/29/2151/12-3m-watch-elton-johntake-that-performances.html

Also I'm not sure about last week's overnight rating, Digitalspy reports it was 13.04 - http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/news/a188056/x-factor-hits-saturday-high-with-13m.html

The citation appears to reference the official ratings for the 15th November —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.13.58.10 (talk) 22:16, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

week 5 onwards = no bottom 2... WRONG

Stop, in the results summary, saying there is no bottom 2 and judges vote. Say that there is no Final Showdown. Of course there is a bottom 2. There always is! There is always contestant who received the second lowest amount of votes. What you're saying is literally incorrect. The key for the results summary should say (in the blue box): contestants up to week 6 were in the bottom 2 and had to perform in the sing-off to win judges vote however week 8 onwards the singer with the lowest vote was automatically eliminated. or something to that effect. 92.4.36.56 (talk) 22:41, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

If it says Bottom Two then this is because we don't know if the eliminated act recieved the fewest public votes until the % are revealed MSalmon (talk) 22:45, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

The Final (12/13 Dec)

The information currently in this section is correct and the source is The Xtra Factor episode aired on Sunday Dec 6th. It should not be deleted. The finalists singing duets with established artists as well as the usual solos is the only detail that emerged during that show. The source is stated and therefore should not be deleted. Dollvalley (talk) 12:44, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes but the souce needs to link to something otherwise it is not classed as a source MSalmon (talk) 13:39, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Can't {{cite episode}} be used? AnemoneProjectors (talk) 15:57, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

What is that? MSalmon (talk) 15:59, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

{{cite episode}} is the way that you use a tv episode to source something. It is an alternative to {{cite web}}. (Lil-unique1 (talk) 16:10, 7 December 2009 (UTC))

Oh ok, well if they confirmed it on the Xtra Factor then use that MSalmon (talk) 16:12, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Well why don't you restore what you deleted instead of just saying to use it after all MSalmon? Dollvalley (talk) 23:33, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

What should we do about presenting the info for the final, should we have a single table for both Sat and Sun or two separate tables for each day. I would personally go for two separate tables as it would look better - anyone else agree. Paul2387 (talk) 21:00, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes i would split the tables into a saturday and sunday two seperate events. (Lil-unique1 (talk) 21:05, 12 December 2009 (UTC))

Sir Paul McCartney did not sing "(I Want To) Come Home" in the final; that needs to be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.24.179.159 (talk) 16:54, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Elimination Table

Which format of table would people prefer for Talent Shows like X Factor

This one:

		Week 1	Week 2	Week 3	Week 4	Week 5	Week 6	Week 7	Week 8	Week 9	Week 10
											Saturday	Sunday
	Joe McElderry	3rd 12.7%	4th 13.3%	2nd 12.9%	3rd 10.2%	2nd 17.2%	2nd 16.0%	1st 34.2%	1st 37.1%	1st 42.2%	1st 52.2%	Winner 61.3%
	Olly Murs	7th 6.2%	5th 10.6%	7th 8.6%	2nd 13.4%	3rd 12.9%	5th 10.3%	6th 9.8%	3rd 18.7%	2nd 19.6%	2nd 27.7%	Runner up 38.7%
	Stacey Solomon	2nd 12.9%	1st 15.4%	5th 10.7%	5th 8.1%	5th 10.8%	1st 25.5%	2nd 17.7%	2nd 20.1%	3rd 19.4%	3rd 20.1%	Eliminated (Week 10)
	Danyl Johnson	1st 27.1%	7th 6.5%	9th 7.6%	1st 36.2%	1st 19.6%	3rd 15.5%	3rd 15.5%	4th 12.5%	4th 18.8%	Eliminated (Week 9)
	Lloyd Daniels	6th 6.4%	2nd 15.0%	8th 8.0%	8th 5.5%	4th 12.0%	6th 9.7%	4th 12.1%	5th 11.6%	Eliminated (Week 8)
	John & Edward	8th 4.5%	8th 5.6%	6th 9.2%	6th 6.6%	7th 9.2%	4th 14.6%	5th 10.7%	Eliminated (Week 7)
	Jamie Archer	5th 8.9%	3rd 14.4%	4th 11.2%	4th 8.7%	6th 9.5%	7th 8.4%	Eliminated (Week 6)
	Lucie Jones	4th 10.5%	6th 8.1%	3rd 11.3%	7th 6.4%	8th 8.8%	Eliminated (Week 5)
	Rachel Adedeji	11th 2.3%	10th 3.7%	1st 15.4%	9th 4.9%	Eliminated (Week 4)
	Miss Frank	9th 4.0%	9th 3.9%	10th 5.1%	Eliminated (Week 3)
	Rikki Loney	10th 3.0%	11th 3.5%	Eliminated (Week 2)
	Kandy Rain	12th 1.5%	Eliminated (Week 1)
Bottom two		Rachel Adedeji, Kandy Rain	Rachel Adedeji, Rikki Loney	Danyl Johnson, Miss Frank	Rachel Adedeji, Lloyd Daniels	John & Edward, Lucie Jones	Jamie Archer, Lloyd Daniels	John & Edward, Olly Murs	No judges' vote or final showdown: public votes alone decide who is eliminated and who ultimately wins
Walsh's vote to eliminate		Rachel Adedeji1	N/A2	Danyl Johnson	Lloyd Daniels	Lucie Jones	Jamie Archer	Olly Murs
Minogue's vote to eliminate		Kandy Rain	Rikki Loney	Miss Frank	Lloyd Daniels	John & Edward	Lloyd Daniels	John & Edward
Cole's vote to eliminate		Kandy Rain	Rachel Adedeji	Danyl Johnson	Rachel Adedeji	John & Edward	Jamie Archer	John & Edward
Cowell's vote to eliminate		Rachel Adedeji	Rikki Loney	Miss Frank	Rachel Adedeji	Lucie Jones	Lloyd Daniels	John & Edward
Eliminated		Kandy Rain 2 of 4 votes Deadlock	Rikki Loney 2 of 3 votes Majority	Miss Frank 2 of 4 votes Deadlock	Rachel Adedeji 2 of 4 votes Deadlock	Lucie Jones 2 of 4 votes Deadlock	Jamie Archer 2 of 4 votes Deadlock	John & Edward 3 of 4 votes Majority	Lloyd Daniels 11.6% to save	Danyl Johnson 18.8% to save	Stacey Solomon 20.1% to win	Olly Murs 38.7% to win
												Joe McElderry 61.3% to win
Source(s)		Smith, Lizzie (11 October 2009). "X Factor: Kandy Rain sent home as Dannii Minogue apologises to Danyl Johnson for bisexual jibe". Daily Mail. Associated Newspapers. Retrieved 11 October 2009.	Johnson, Chris (18 October 2009). "Rikki becomes second X Factor casualty as Simon Cowell saves Rachel after sing-off". Daily Mail. Associated Newspapers. Retrieved 18 October 2009.	Sprat, Charlotte (26 October 2009). "X Factor: Miss Frank crash out after singing for survival against Danyl Johnson". Daily Mail. Associated Newspapers. Retrieved 26 October 2009.	Daily Mail reporter (5 November 2009). "Rachel Adedeji puts on a brave face following her exit from the X Factor after sing-off with Lloyd Daniels". Daily Mail. Associated Newspapers. Retrieved 8 November 2009.	Smith, Lizzie (8 November 2009). "X Factor: Lucie Jones sent home as Jedward survive elimination thanks to Simon Cowell". Daily Mail. Associated Newspapers. Retrieved 8 November 2009.</ref>	"Going with the 'fro: X Factor's Jamie Archer gracious in defeat after losing out to Lloyd Daniels". Daily Mail. Associated Newspapers. 16 November 2009. Retrieved 21 November 2009.

or this one:

Stage:			Live Shows								Semi Final	Final		Post-Show
Week:			1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
Place	Mentor	Contestant	Result
1	Cole	Joe McElderry	3	4	2	3	2	2	1	1	1	1	1	Winner
2	Cowell	Olly Murs	7	5	7	2	3	5	Btm 2	3	2	2	Elim
3	Minogue	Stacy Soloman	2	1	5	5	5	1	2	2	3	Elim
4	Cowell	Danyl Johnson	1	2	Btm 2	1	1	3	3	4	Elim
5	Cole	Lloyd Daniels	6	2	8	Btm 2	4	Btm 2	4	Elim
6	Walsh	John and Edward	8	8	6	6	Btm 2	4	Elim
7	Cowell	Jamie Archer	5	3	4	4	6	Elim
8	Minogue	Lucie Jones	4	6	3	3	Elim
9	Minogue	Rachel Adedeji	Btm 2	Btm 2	1	Elim
10	Walsh	Miss Frank	9	9	Elim
11	Cole	Rikki Loney	10	Elim
12	Walsh	Kandy Rain	Elim
Number of Category Members
Simon			3	3	3	3	3	3	2	2	2	1	1	0
Louis			3	2	2	1	1	1	1	0	0	0	0	0
Cheryl			3	3	2	2	2	2	2	2	1	1	1	1
Dannii			3	3	3	3	2	1	1	1	1	1	0	0
Total			12	11	10	9	8	7	6	5	4	3	2	1

Feel free to give your opinion on which of these charts you like best and If you like the latter table I'll add it. Thanks Paul2387 (talk) 02:48, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

• Top (original) table. Sorry, I find the proposed new design confusing, difficult on the eye, plus it's lost some information. I42 (talk) 07:40, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
• Top (original) table: The first one is easier to read and it is used throughout the other series MSalmon (talk) 09:47, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
• Top (original) table for the reasons mentioned by I42 and Msalmon. It's less confusing and contains more information. I removed the bottom one last night because there's no need for duplication. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 13:14, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

• Top (original) table. i appreciate the sentiment of the new table but for the reasons given above the original table is better suited due to the information in contains. Lil-unique1 (talk) 16:02, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Following up the discussion above I have updated the Bottom (new) table and it can be seen here. Feel free to point out any improvements to this table so it is easier to read.
I've included the Judges Houses so as to include the twelve thay didn't make the Top 12 Thanks Paul2387 (talk) 02:28, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

The original table is just better presented and still contains more information. The judges' houses round doesn't need to be included. I don't see any reason to try to copy the tables used in Idol series articles. This isn't Idol and isn't part of the Idol WikiProject. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 12:35, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

RATM/McElderry race to UK Christmas number one

Does this not deserve a mention here? Only song to ever get it by downloads only and highest-selling download —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.129.39.47 (talk) 23:37, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

No, not here. This is about Series 6 of The X Factor, not about the chart successes of Joe McElderry and Rage Against The Machine. It's mentioned on several other articles, some of them are X Factor-related. But not this one, please. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 23:54, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

I personally believe it does belong here - it was largely an X Factor vs non-X Factor contest; the actual songs are almost irrelevant. I42 (talk) 07:43, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

It belongs in X Factor articles but I don't think it should be mentioned on this one. This is about a specific series, whereas the campaign was about the programme as a whole. It wasn't anything to do with Joe McElderry or series 6 of The X Factor. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 11:54, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm happy with that. I have argued against it being on the The_Climb_(song) article, because the contest was not specifically related to the song or Joe - and I think we agree on that; X Factor or X Factor series 6 are equally ok with me. I42 (talk) 13:05, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Bloopers

Dermont said on the final that this was "the x factor 2008 final" this should be mentioned within the article.--Cooly123 20:01, 22 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

No, it shouldn't. He also once said "housemates" instead of "contestants", but so what? AnemoneProjectors (talk) 20:50, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Still its something funny that should be mentioned.--Cooly123 19:32, 30 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

Why should it be mentioned? AnemoneProjectors (talk) 21:15, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism by Anom

Recently I have noticed alot of vandalism being reverted and sometimes restored, something has to be done about this, I have previously considered putting the article up for protection. If anyone agrees about it being protected they are free to apply for protection. Thanks Paul2387 (talk) 19:00, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Green on Week 6 table

In the table for week 6, showing the song choices, results and bottom two details, I am confused why it is green where it shows Stacey's performance and result. Is it because she had the highest number of votes in that week, because if that's the case, that should be done for all the weeks. Hassaan19 (talk) 19:00, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

I've removed it. A couple of weeks ago someone decided to add it to them all but I reverted them and must have missed that one. It's pointless unless we decide to duplicate the percentages on the weekly songs tables, which I think isn't necessary to do. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 20:51, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

References

there seem to be too many references, not all exactly on topic. 75.11.169.247 (talk) 05:23, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

How can there be too many references? AnemoneProjectors (talk) 13:13, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

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