Talk:The mitzvah of sanctifying the Kohen
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What is the normal English name for this subject in WP:RS? btw, please we don't write "G-d" unless in quote of a text that actually does so. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:08, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
- Done some editing, translating into English awkward terms, grammar that seem to have come from he.wikipedia. The article is still badly in need of modern English sources. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:21, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
- Move to "sanctification of priests (Judaism)"? In ictu oculi (talk) 19:18, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
- Done some editing, translating into English awkward terms, grammar that seem to have come from he.wikipedia. The article is still badly in need of modern English sources. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:21, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
Requested move
edit- The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: No consensus to Move, plus nom did not actually propose a new title (essential part of a requested move nomination) Mike Cline (talk) 21:21, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
The Mitzvah of sanctifying the Kohen → something more in accordance with WP:EN and WP:RS – Current title is in breach of WP:EN, (and WP:CAPS), and unsupported by WP:RS per Google Scholar and Google Books searches. The origin of this article/essay appears to be in part translation of he.wikipedia "sanctification of the seed of Aaron" (Hebrew מצוות קידוש זרעו של אהרן), so tentatively propose perhaps sanctification of the priesthood (Judaism), or similar, would be more in line with how this subject is treated in Google Scholar and Google Books. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:39, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
- How about Commandment to honor the priests? I suspect "sanctifying" is a Google Translate word. This translation of Maimonides discusses the issue under the chapter heading, "On honouring the priests". Kauffner (talk) 13:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
- I'm not sure, I think "sanctify" rather than "honour" is there both in the he.wikipedia title. It only came to mind because of sources such as: Hauge The descent from the mountain: narrative patterns in Exodus 19-40 p195 "the sanctification of the priests implies that Aaron too must be present for the new set of instructions in 11.1." Jacob Neusner A rabbi talks with Jesus 2000 p161 "The Pharisees lay heavy stress on teachings of the priests in Leviticus and want Israel to live now, here and everywhere, in accord with those rules that the Torah of Moses set forth for the sanctification of the priests." Papyri, Ostraca, parchments and waxed tablets F. A. J. Hoogendijk, P. van Minnen, Willy Clarysse - 1991 "Nowhere in Leviticus 9 it is explicitly said that the priests washed themselves or put on their robes, ... were assumed to be present every day in the temple to attend the sanctification of the priests and the daily offerings. ..." etc. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:48, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
- Strong oppose Help! Have a bit of discussion about possible alternatives before submitting a formal move request. PatGallacher (talk) 23:44, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
- Oppose. Kohen is the standard term in English. Priest is a vague term that is very rarely used when referring to Kohanim. --PiMaster3 talk 20:15, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
- Renmae but not necessarily as nom -- Mitzvah apparently means Commandment. There is no need for this to be in Hebrew in the Englihs WP. As I understand it, the Kohanim have had little formal role in Judiaism for the last 1900+ years. I wonder whether Jewish priesthood would not be enough, or Sanctification of Jewish Priesthood or Sanctification of the Kohanim would be acceptable. PatGallacher should not be so sensitive. Putting up a WP:RM request is actually a good way of getting a wide discussion, with input from uninvolved editors. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:59, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
Based on In Ictu's poor presentation (cherry picking?) of sources supporting his attempted move of B'rov am hadrat melech (see the move request on the discussion page), I recommend that his presentation of sources here be taken with a grain of salt until someone else has had the time to check the sources independently with Google Book Search. - Lisa (talk - contribs) 17:05, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
- NOTE This same duplicate paragraph above seems to have been posted on over a dozen article Talk pages, in almost all cases where Lisa has deleted WP:RS - including Nosson Scherman, Maimonides, Rashi etc, - that use English terms. This isn't germane to the page RM discussion here, however as regards the charge of cherry picking anyone can run Google Books search on Talk:B'rov am hadrat melech and see if they get a different result to 1x vs 2,770x. But even if the results were reversed, MOS:COMMONALITY requires following the English. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:46, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
- Oppose. (other than a minor change to follow WP:CAPS convention) current name uses Hebrew terms common to English speaking folks..--Marecheth Ho'eElohuth (talk) 19:42, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.