Talk:The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog/Archive 1

Portuguese version / versão portuguesa

"A rápida raposa castanha salta por cima do cão lento" não tem nem de longe nem de perto todas as letras do alfabeto português; é apenas uma tradução grosseira da frase inglesa. Uma frase portuguesa que tem todas as letras do alfabeto português (exceptuando 'k', 'y' e 'z') é: "Vejam a bruxa da raposa Salta-Pocinhas e o cão feliz que dorme regalado.". Verifica. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.138.74.133 (talk) 00:16, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

This doesn't really count as a 'word game' does it? Barneyboo 10:50, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Article does not match new title!

The article claims: Only the letters "a", "e", "o", "r", and "u" are used more than once, each being used twice, except for "o" which is used four times.

This is wrong with "THE" at the beginning of the sentence. Then, "I" and "H" are used twice, and "e" is used three times.

Which title is best

I don't believe the current title of this article (The quick brown fox jumps over a lazy dog) is actually the most common form of this sentence. For the record, Google searches return the following results (as of the time this comment was posted):

1. "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog" = 25,900
2. "A quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog" = 1,590
3. "The quick brown fox jumps over a lazy dog" = 1,430 (current title)
4. "The quick brown fox jumped over the slow lazy dog" = 111
5. "The quick brown fox jumped over a slow lazy dog" = 0
6. "A quick brown fox jumped over the slow lazy dog" = 0

- dcljr 06:10, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Go with the most popular. Zerbey 18:20, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

I agree. I've always heard it and used it with two "the"'s.

In Stephen King's short story The Sun Dog it's given as "The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy sleeping dog", maybe we should mention that as a variant too. --Angr/_comhrá 06:17, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Note: "The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy sleeping dog" returns 306 results at Google. - dcljr (talk) 21:39, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

I always used "The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy brown dog's back". Just the way I learned it. --Cuervo 09:20, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Note: "The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy brown dog's back" returns 1 Google result. - dcljr (talk) 21:39, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Didn't say I learned it the right way, just saying. ;-) --Johnny (Cuervo) 10:36, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, since this page is an orphan, I'm going to go ahead and change the title to the first one listed above. - dcljr (talk) 03:26, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Note: I haven't made the move because the target title's history is non-empty, so the move would require an administrator. I've listed this at Requested moves. - dcljr (talk)

I vote for #1 (i.e. support the WP:RM).—Wahoofive (talk) 17:00, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Keep as is (#3), or change to #2 (which gets all 26 letters as lowercase letters, with the "a" also contained in "lazy"). Shorter (33 letters vs. 35), and that's part of the point. Actually, in the order now listed above, we have 35, 33, 33, 40, 38, and 38 letters. Need one "the" to get the "t" and "h", but don't need two of them as it makes sense with the indefinite article "a" for one of them. There are shorter "sentences" using all the English letters, but they seem more contrived than this one. Gene Nygaard 18:21, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

But none of that is relevant. We should be considering which form of this "fox/dog" sentence is the most common one (or even "the original" one, if that's possible to determine), not the which is the shortest or most efficient at getting all the letters, or best sounding grammatically, or any other consideration. IMO. - dcljr (talk) 19:48, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

It is relevant in this case because shortness is one of the attributes of this phrase, and the Google results clearly show that this form is in use. That is all Google is good for; you cannot determine "most common" from your Google searches. Original isn't the best criterion either; even if the two the form were the original, if the replacement of one or the other with an indefinite article "a" has been promoted as an improvement because it is shorter and just as comprehensible, then we should use the better, improved version. Note that we don't know that the two the form is the original; maybe it, like the one lacking any "s" at all, is just a corruption by people who don't get it quite right. Gene Nygaard 03:45, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Support #1, and confirm that it is normal usage. Septentrionalis 19:56, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Interestingly, "The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog", which doesn't even have an s, returns 12,700 Google results! And the similar "The quick brown fox jumped over a lazy dog", mentioned in the article as it stands right now, only returns 59. - dcljr (talk) 21:51, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Support #1 since that seems to be most common. Jonathunder 19:13, 2005 August 15 (UTC)

Support "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog" violet/riga (t) 09:27, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

This article has been renamed after the result of a move request. violet/riga (t) 09:27, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Edit: Please disregard the comment below. (I had originally said that if the word "the" was used in both places instead of "a" in one place, then the letter "a" was not represented, But the word "lazy" has an "a", so I was incorrect. My original comment follows:

If you use the word "the" in both places, then the sentence does not contain the letter "a", which misses the whole point of the sentence! If you use the word "jumped" instead of "jumps", then the sentence would not contain the letter "s"! This is not common knowledge, which is why people often quote it incorrectly. If the title is not changed, I would recommend that you at least mention these statements in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.170.65.83 (talk) 17:23, August 26, 2007 (UTC)

Edit:

ambiguity in the novel

Now, is the inventor of "A quick brown fox" mentioned in Ella Minnow a real person? The article reads as if the person were real.

The point of Ella Minnow Pea is that the person has been exaggerated into something else...The person was perfectly real, but there is no island devoted to the worship of his phrase. 174.91.221.16 (talk) 23:34, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

=rand() in MS Word Korean ver.

MS Word gives "무궁화 꽃이 활짝 피었습니다." 15 times.

And that translates to what exactly? --Optichan 21:04, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

I used Google translate and I got the following result by typing in the above:

The rose of Sharon flower widely the blood ess sup ni c. 

It doesn't translate very well though. --Leon2323

20:21, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

I know korean and did this myself, not the translator's stupid response

I don't know what "무궁화　꽃이　활짝　피었습니다．" translates to, however I can tell you that it has something to do with the rose of Sharon (무궁화)

"The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog" translates to "빠른　와　갈색　여우가　게으른　개를　탈선하다．". 20:18, 18 August 2006 (UTC) EDIT: however, that does not use every letter of Hangul, defeating the purpose

Martinkb 15:05, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

The phrase could be translated into Korean as "The rose of Sharon is in full bloom." -- Timefly 09:47, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Used in the Cold War?

I had a book about spies that said this sentence was the first one used to test the hotline between the White House and the Kremlin. Is this true? (The book also said the Soviets were up all night trying to find a secret meaning, but that's possibly Cold War propaganda).

Ricardo monteiro 17:55, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Once per letter?

I dont know if a lot of people realize this or Im just an idiot, But "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog" Contains every letter in the alphabet once.

Hmm... the fact that there's two "the"s would make that assertion unlikely. - dcljr (talk) 03:23, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Compare: Cwm, fjord-bank glyphs vext quiz (i.e. symbols on the sides of valleys and in glades frustrated the smart person) which DOES use each letter only once.—Wahoofive (talk) 16:59, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

At least once. That's the point of the sentence. I'll see if it's managed to drop out of the article Septentrionalis 19:49, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

RY?!

What's with the RY link? I'd revert it out, but I'm afraid I'm missing something. Jeff Worthington 20:30, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm just adding on, the letter 's' is used in the sentence "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog" - jumpS.

Razorback jumping frogs

I removed the "razorback jumping frogs" sentence. As [1] shows, this is not a particularly economical pangram; there are many shorter examples. If it belongs anywhere it would be in the Pangram article. -- Curps 15:00, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Unconsistency

The phrase "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog" (or "A quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog", or any of several similar sentences) has been used to test typewriters and computer keyboards, because it is a coherent, short pangram. Only the letters "a", "e", "o", "r", and "u" are used more than once, each being used twice, except for "o" which is used four times.

In the age of computers, the sentence is often used as a sample text in font selection contexts.

This sentence is frequently mis-quoted as "The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog", which does not contain all the letters of the alphabet since it lacks the letter "s". For this reason, the word "slow" or "sleeping" is sometimes inserted into the phrase, or the word "dog" is made plural.

The phrase "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog" can be generated in the English Microsoft Word by typing =rand() and pressing the ENTER key.

In the novel Ella Minnow Pea by Mark Dunn, the inventor of the phrase lives on the fictional island of Nollop off the coast of South Carolina.

The phrase "Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country" has also been used to test the skills of keyboardists, but is not a pangram. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.238.238.21 (talk • contribs)

Um, there's no inconsistency there. It's saying that "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog" is a pangram, whereas the sentence "Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country" is not a pangram. Runa27 08:41, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Getting off topic

This article seems to be getting a little off-topic. It should focus on the phrase "The quick brown fox...", not pangrams in general or font testing in Windows. - dcljr (talk) 17:36, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

One concern that I have about the present state of this article is, that it seems to have removed much information about the phrase itself, including the interesting information in the Triva section that could actually be verified. Today, there is a large table about font displays in various languages, only a handful which relate to the phrase itself. There are several reasons why I disagree with this list being in this article. 1.) It is off topic: this article is not about font-testing in different languages in Windows. 2.) I cannot speak for everyone in the world, but it appears to be a list that only a select few would care about, and not of interest to the general population. 3.) There are probably better uses for a list in this article: maybe a list of translations of the phrase to other languages, or a table of other notable panagrams in different languages.

I recommend the following changes. I could do them myself, but since it would reshape the article dramatically, I wanted to be a good citizen and allow others to comment on my suggestions. First, remove the text and table about font-testing, and store it either on the talk page as an archive, or place it in a seperate article about fonts or Microsoft Windows. Second, replace the parts of the trivia section that could be verified (I was personally able to verify everything in the previous Trivia section except the references to the musical "How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying", and the peanuts comic strip reference. This does not meaan that ohter users know how to verify these two statements). Third, add more information about the noteriety of the phrase: why it was used so much, the fact it only repeated very few letters, and why it is important. 21 January 2007, 2:45 UTC (brandenads)

You forgot to close a tag. Fixed it for you. --Johnny (Cuervo) 21:26, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I think the font displays table is really interesting; I would think that most people would have been introduced to the phrase "the quick brown fox..." through font displays, so it's relevant in that sense. I arrived here from typography page. Perhaps the font display stuff should be moved down to the bottom, and any trivia stuff about the actual phrase could appear first? -- Amazingtessa 14:43, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Being that the font display table is interesting to some users, I suggest it be moved to either a seperate article or a seperate page. This way, the interesting material about font displays can be saved, yet the article can be kept on topic about the quick brown fox. 10 July 2007, 5:00 UTC (brandenads)

Agreeing to keep the font table; may move it. -j.engelh 07:09, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree to get rid of this section from the article, because it doesn't focus on the phraze.

—— The Unknown Hitchhiker 14:39, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

The section about fonts and sample texts has been moved to another page, because it is not relevant to the pangram itself.

Word Perfect

Back in the days I used the old Word Perfect program, which was around, I thought, before MS Word and already used this sentence, I might be wrong about this, but shouldn't WP at least be mentioned?

Ok what if this sentence is used for someones code. Does that mean that when the computer is saying one word at a time that one of those words could possibly be a password to their secret?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.156.87.150 (talk) 14:25, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Jumped over the lazy dog's back

I've used "The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog's back. 67.188.172.165 05:06, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Kudos to this guy.... he's the only one who, unknowingly "broke the dogs back." Considering... NO OTHER POST on here recognised the fact that "The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog." DOES NOT contain every letter in the alphabet... I could name a bunch of derogatory "C" words to call you "scholars" but I will refrain. :) Have a Nice Day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.154.147.152 (talk) 06:50, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Please see the last comment I made on 5 August 2005. - dcljr (talk) 18:27, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

The meaning of 'The' vs. 'A'

I vote for 'A quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog' because identifying a quick brown fox is more problematical than identifying a lazy dog, due to the quickness and cleverness of brown foxes and the lassitude and domesticated status of lazy dogs. However I admit this is debatable since real-life brown foxes are rare or nonexistent. Doesn't 'the' usually stand for a definitely specified thing and 'a' usually stand for an unspecified member of an implied group of things? Wikivek 23:08, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

The problem with using 'A' is that the sentence then lacks an 'e'. That is, 'A quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog' is NOT a pangram.

Never mind. I'm an idiot. I didn't see the second 'the' for some reason. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.76.60.154 (talk) 19:21, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Windows fontview screenshots

This is a Korean Windows XP version. Please upload screenshots of other Windows version here.

Timefly 09:39, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

You need to type in the actual phrase. Wikipedia now requires image to come with fair use rationale or they are deleted. Anyway, the Korean version of Mac OS X uses the phrase 天地玄黃，宇宙洪荒 when viewing fonts with Chinese text.[2] Jacob Poon 04:10, 13 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacob Poon (talk • contribs)

French version

Screenshot of the french version of Microsoft Fontviewer, on Windows XP Professional Edition. For your information, it roughly means : Ambiguous voice of a heart, who at zephyr prefers bowls of kiwis.

->| SUB-Z3R0 |<- 05:20, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Versão portuguesa / Portuguese version

Vejam a bruxa da raposa Salta-Pocinhas e o cão feliz que dorme regalado.
Eu traduzi como 'Watch the witch of the Jump-Puddles fox and the happy dog that sleeps delighted.'. Esta frase tem todas as letras do alfabeto português (não tem 'k', 'w' e 'y'). Se alguém quiser fazer uma tradução melhor para inglês e pôr na página principal...
213.22.81.243 18:55, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

The sample text used in the Greek versions of Windows has been added.

It is a part of a poem (Εις Σάμον, ca. 1824) written by Andreas Kalvos. --85.75.72.155 22:45, 23 February 2007 (UTC)s09

Alternate phrases -- Table entry for German

I'm assuming "Taxi" in the English translation should be "taxi", but I'm leaving the change for an editor well-versed in both languages.

In German, all nouns are capitalized. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.32.87.3 (talk) 21:25, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Longer Slovak version

It is claimed that it contains all slovak diacritical marks but it isn't true. The letter ó is missing.

The sentenece can be shorter. When word "šťastných" was added, there is no need of using the world "obhrýzať" and the sentence can be "Kŕdeľ šťastných ďatľov učí pri ústí Váhu mĺkveho koňa žrať kôru, bór a čerstvé mäso." (The word "bór" was added for adding ó.)

Russian

As being a russian programmer, I'd insist on another phrase (and its derivatives):

В чащах юга бродит цитрус, да но фальшивый же экземпляр

The phrase is registered to academician Rosental. The comma in the phrase is often ommited just because it is not a letter. Yepp, it lacks the 'ё' letter (it is not in wide use nowaday) and 'ъ'. --jno 11:25, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

But the current example given uses all the letters, including those two. So why replace it? Esn (talk) 01:59, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Numbers?

What's with all the numbers? They're clearly not part of the sentences. They're very inconsistent: only the Swedish row has numbers in the English translation, others don't, and the Italian one is missing the 7. Is this just slop from someone copying and pasting sample text that has survived for hundreds of edits? Or maybe there's some unexplained significance that I fail to see. --TheAmigo42 20:59, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Swedish QZ?

Um, I don't know Swedish, but if "QZ" (both caps?) is a word, why isn't it translated into English? Is it just that the sentence has all letters but Q and Z, so they were just stuck on the end, even though they're not a word? It seems that the "QZ" should be removed and the "Uses all letters" column should be "no" (since the Swedish alphabet does have a "Q" and a "Z"). --TheAmigo42 20:59, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Mistake in Czech translation

"Příliš žluťoučký kůň úpěl ďábelské ódy" gives "Too many yellow horse moaned devil odes". So, there is a mistake in translation. It have to give "Too many yellow horses moaned devil odes", and then in Czech it will give "Příliš žluťoučký koně úpěl ďábelské ódy". But then, the Czech text will not have all Czech diacritic characters. What shall we do? Kubek15^{T CS} 10:59, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Someone now deleted my note from article! Why? Kubek15^{T CS} 11:57, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Sample font displays in other languages

It seems to me that this section seems useless, because it doesn't describe the pangram, but shows messages used in other computers to show fonts.

O—— The Unknown Hitchhiker 14:30, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

• And some of them (like the Japanese and Thai) look rather implausible at that; they may be pangrams, but I seriously doubt texts that long are really used to display font samples! 78.105.167.145 (talk) 21:57, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Error!

Polish fonts in Windows XP shows text Zażółć gęślą jaźń. 1234567890 !! Please correct this!!

83.23.193.173 (talk) 20:20, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Earliest known use?

I replaced the article's statement that the earliest known use of this phrase was from 1903 with an example I found in Google Books of this phrase used in a typing practice book from 1888. However, there may well be earlier uses of this phrase. Ecphora (talk) 20:06, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

We're back to 1885 now :) Kaldari (talk) 21:03, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

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Microsoft word 2007 =rand(x,y) does not work

I tried using that line of code. It didn't work for me. Maybe it needs to mention putting it in a macro? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.131.96.199 (talk) 20:15, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

"Peanuts writes...on his typewriter." ???

Um...

"In the Peanuts comic strip..." there is no character named 'Peanuts'.

Was it perhaps Charlie Brown? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leeeoooooo (talk • contribs) 23:14, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Microsoft Windows non-TrueType/Open fonts

• Jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz. (31 letters) (Used by Microsoft Windows XP when previewing some non-TrueType/OpenType fonts, such as Roman.fon. It is interesting that the set of digits afterwards omits the numeral 7.)--DThomsen8 (talk) 23:53, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Variation

Here is a varation that has all of the numbers and uses most of the punctuation keys: A quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog's back; 123456789,10 times. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.76.122.168 (talk) 10:08, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Variations

We always learned "The quick sly fox jumped over the lazy brown dog" Which works as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.149.199.230 (talk) 17:53, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Use in morse and other telecommunications

I've heard of using "The quick brown fox..." as a test phrase by English speaking morse operators and occasionally in more recent telecommunications set ups since it is a popular pangram. I don't have any reliable sources located yet but I'm curious if other editors think that this subject would be appropriate for inclusion in this article. 68.47.39.247 (talk) 23:25, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

I have to question the end of the intro paragraph "and is often used in visual art." Although I'm sure it has been used in artworks, as a professional artist and art critic I can't think of a single example, and none are given (apart from the pop cultural references cited).75.22.94.64 (talk) 19:44, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the insight. I've removed the claim. Kaldari (talk) 06:48, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

My question is that is visual art only in an art gallery? Doesn't the pop cultural references also count as visual art, though not a "Picasso"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.194.70.73 (talk) 00:26, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

RE: my apparent "blanking" of the popular culture section

Thanks for reverting me without addressing any of the concerns I had. The section is a mess, unsourced, and filled with a ton of cruft from every corner of the web. Let me go over each and everyone one.

Dan Santat's Blog

Primary Source

Notability

Feels like criticism, in the "just sayin!" form.

Typography workshop flyer

Notability

Primary Source

Clipart Image

Notability

Primary Source

Music CD cover

Notability

Primary Source

Video

Notability

Primary Source

Nest Heads

Notability

Primary Source

The Fox and the Hound

No source

Ella Minnow Pea

No Source

Magic:The Gathering card

I actually didn't remove this, but it's borderline, mainly on notability grounds

Snoopy

The source is a newgroup thread. Do I really need to say more?

Stephen Gould

I imagine his paper doesn't say that it's celebrated.

Furthermore, I wonder if it's notable. I don't know enough about Stephen and his own notability to determine either way.

Ultimately, I'd keep this with the "celebrated" removed. I trust this is a non-controversial edit, so I will do it now.

Electric Company

No source

Stripes

No source

ESPN

No Source

Notability

Portal

No source

Woot

No Source; I can find one for this trivially, and will.

Arguably NN; will consider removing later

Anyway. I'll leave this here for 2 weeks, and if nobody has any objections, I'll remove the ones I think deserve removal at that time. Riffraffselbow (talk) 10:08, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

The section seems to naturally fill up with cruft every year or two. I would strongly support deleting it entirely. Kaldari (talk) 18:27, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

phonetic equivalent?

Is there a common phonetic equivalent to this sentence, that has every English phoneme? The only one I could find was "Hum, thou whirring fusion; yes, Joy, pay each show; vie, thaw two wool dock bags." at http://dx.doi.org/10.1109/TIT.1980.1056231 which phonetically is something like "hʌm ,ðaʊ wɝrɪŋ ˈfjuː.ʒən; jɛs, ʤɔɪ, peɪ iʧ ʃoʊ; vaɪ, θɔː tu wʊl dɒk bæɡz." That sentence is a bit awkward however. Jrincayc (talk) 23:29, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it seems they are called phonetic pangrams and there are several. Some are

• "That quick beige fox jumped in the air over each thin dog. Look out, I shout, for he's foiled you again, creating chaos."

• "The hungry purple dinosaur ate the kind, zingy fox, the jabbering crab, and the mad whale and started vending and quacking."

• "The beige hue on the waters of the loch impressed all, including the French queen, before she heard that symphony again, just as young Arthur wanted."

Source:

Damaru_wiki —Preceding undated comment added 10:20, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

References

Original quotation

Since this seems to get changed (and vandalized) fairly often, I would like to record here that the quotation in the Michigan School Moderator reads: ""The following sentence makes a good copy for practice, as it contains every letter of the alphabet: 'A quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.'" Note that the phrase in this case begins with the word "A" rather than "The". Several other early sources also use this variation.

There is mention of an early use of this phrase in the Yonkers Gazette as well, although since this use hasn't actually been located no one knows if it predates the Michigan School Moderator or not. Kaldari (talk) 19:45, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

There is also mention of this phrase in the paper The Boston Journal, Monday February 9th, 1885: "--A favorite copy set by writing teachers for their pupils is the following, because it contains every letter of the alphabet: A quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog". Over the course of a few weeks it appears in several different newspapers around the country.

Citation found! It was actually from Tuesday, February 10, 1885, but to Boston Public Library had it on microfilm: see bottom left corner of File:Boston Journal 1885-02-10 (first page only).png. C. Scott Ananian (talk) 22:05, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Did you look at the 9th? I think the 10th column was a reprint of the column on the 9th. genealogybank.com has a scan of the paper from the 9th: http://genealogybank.com/doc/newspapers/image/v2%3A11CE74B6F9A6E5CC%40GB3NEWS-12461CA144BA6360%402409582-12461CA1760B4420%401-12461CA2605EF8D8%40Current%2BNotes — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.181.7.109 (talk) 03:14, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

I can't swear that it wasn't in the issue from the 9th, but as I recall I did read through that entire issue before resorting to looking in the 10th. Lots of small text, though: might be worth having someone else visit the BPL to double-check. C. Scott Ananian (he/him) (talk) 18:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Correction: The citation is actually not in the bottom left corner, but closer to the left middle of the page. Look down the fourth column (labelled Current Notes on the top), until you get one-third the way down the page. You will then find the Quick Brown Fox citation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.183.28.251 (talk) 04:29, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

That scan isn't accessible without an account. Can you please upload a screenshot or the full scan to Commons? Kaldari (talk) 04:00, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

File:Kfontview.png Nominated for Deletion

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'The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog' song

Not sure if this is relevant but here the BBC approach to this sentence: http://www.bbc.co.uk/learningzone/clips/watch-alphablocks-in-action-as-the-quick-brown-fox-jumps-over-the-lazy-dog/11244.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.33.198.2 (talk) 13:52, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

I think that this definately should be placed in the article. Numerous editors on this article complain that the pop culture references are all of low notability. BBC is a national network and AlphaBlocks is a legitimate television show, this would be one of the more notable references that this article can have. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.123.119.201 (talk) 06:23, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Doesn't seem that significant to me. There are literally thousands of uses of 'The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog' in TV, literature, movies, comic books, cereal boxes, etc. Listing them all here is pointless. Kaldari (talk) 06:40, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Removal of Section Headings

This article had two minor headings of "Usage in Typography" and "Usage in Computing," each containing one or two sentences. Such brief lists of disconnected sentences do not warrant a new section, and makes the article look choppy and divided. After reading the article, it appeared that they can be blended into the original "History" section, since these are simply the contemporary 'history' of the phrase. The name "History" was changed to "Overview" to better reflect both past and current usage. Thus, the article now reads as one coherent prose. All references were kept. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.194.3.169 (talk) 02:38, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Number of letters

Each QBF or equivalent sentence should state the of letters in it, not counting spaces or punctuation; thus QBF(35). Tabletop (talk) 02:16, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

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External links

List of external links was burned. They all point to random lists of pangrams, nothing specific about the history and usage of The Quick Brown Fox. one went to a newsgroup posting. Wikipedia already has a list of pangrams, external random lists are pointless.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.253.196.108 (talk • contribs)

I actually had this one marked a while ago to come back and fix. Thanks for getting to it before me. DreamGuy (talk) 14:50, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

A quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.

Shouldn't this be the sentence as shown in the newspaper clipping? It is also 2 letters shorter at 33 letters as opposed to 35.

Bertwert (talk) 22:08, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

As the article notes, "The ..." is the more common usage, for whatever reason. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 22:48, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Animated GIF

There is an animated GIF that perfectly illustrates the phrase at http://imgur.com/gallery/VT0Nd . It seems that it should be linked from this page, in the appropriate section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Schnaxlhuaba (talk • contribs) 03:02, 14 January 2017 (UTC) Source of the GIF: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2d6q2oUJeY — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.193.139.250 (talk) 07:26, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

"jumped"

Many people misquote "the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog" as "the quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog," and since "jumps" contains its only 's,' the misquotation ends up being incorrect. Should we mention this? I mentioned this on Pangram, as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:85:C200:A200:2C28:AC1D:1B1:1AE7 (talk) 22:43, 30 May 2020 (UTC)