Talk:Theatre of Pompey

Peer review request

This article could use an assesmet rating as well as more ideas and input, especialy in the "Archaeological work" section. --Amadscientist 00:26, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

This request was made only on this page. I have now used the proper procedure for peer review.--Amadscientist 20:01, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

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Remains of Pompley's theater in Largo Argentina? I don't think so...the picture on this page shows one of the Republican temples from much earlier than Pompey...and also, shouldn't this page be titled the Theater of Pompey?--CaesarGJ 06:32, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

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Theatre is the British spelling of the word. Ω 20:12, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

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Theatre is also the correct American spelling as well. Look it up. Also the comment about the Republican Temples being of an earlier period, these were apart of the Theatre complex called the Sacred Area. Pompey said that his orchestra and stage were merely the forecourt of the five temples surmounting the cavea and that the cavea was the stairway up to the temples. The temples were located directly behind the curia. There is much confusion when resaerching these seperatly however in all models and plans found the Sacred Area was apart of the theatre Complex. Pompey needed this to help get past a law that forbid permanent theatres structures. CaesarGJ, have you researched this enough? Amadscientist

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I added some stuff today....but forgot to log in. I also uploaded an image from the same source of the existing picture. Added links to Wikipedia page Roman Theatre (structure).Amadscientist

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Then I added more images and edited some stuff for clarity. I am currently doing some back resaerch to cite my sources.Amadscientist

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I did however make a change to the information about the temples....noting that they are from an earlier period but still generaly associated with the theatre.Amadscientist

This is a nice article - love the images. Just a few personal comments to be taken with salt. The lead needs some expansion - I wonder whether the 'Overview' section should really be incorporated into the lead. If anything, there are too many images competing for attention. Suggest you think about taking it to WP:ARCHPR Kind regards --Antischmitz 12:52, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Help needed to reference information on this page

I have done a great deal of work on this page myself. I researched and read over several sites but have not had time to go the the Library to find actual books on this subject to add reference that are not internet related. However if i can't get any realtime references I will start adding internet references. Anyone want to help with that?

This page is now mirrored

Oddly enough, while researching information to add references to this page I discovered that it has been copied several times on many different sites. I also found conversations on forums that quote directly from this page.

Rating and importance

I have rated this article as B class and given it an importance accessment of Top. I justify the Top assesment due to its impact on Roman Theater/Amphitheatre Architecture and architecture in general. --Amadscientist 05:40, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

No updates by Oberon College student

I don't know why that tag was put there in the first place. I have never seen an update by anyone else here in months let alone this supposed college student. If they do eventualy return for an update then they can put it back, but as of 6-17-07, 90% of this page was written by myself. I added the reference tags, (which need proper formating still) and all but one image. --Amadscientist 05:44, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Original article image

Model of the ancient Campus Martius around 300 AD, showing the Theatre and Portico of Pompey (centre)

I removed the original image from the article because in researching the theatre I discoverd that the model was incorrect in depicting two covered porticos behind the stage area. A mis conception started by a misinterpretation of the Forma Urbis.--Amadscientist 23:22, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I have forgotten about this article for too long

I will get to adding the proper citations in the near future! I have found a lot, but I always end up reading and getting absorbed and forgetting to add the reference. Also I just recently figured out the proper formatting for adding references!--Amadscientist 12:28, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Updated page

Added Information box and added the page to another project, copy edit and moved an image.--Amadscientist (talk) 09:09, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Construction

The page had it listed that it was constructed in 55 BC, but according to The Romans (I added a citation listing the book's information) the construction was started in 61BC after Pompey's triumph when he came back from Asia /Minor. The book only makes a fleeting reference, but it says the construction was from 61-55 BC. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Foxhunt king (talk • contribs) 03:04, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

I may just change that back. You see the construction time is not in question but it's dedication year, which was 55BC. Note the way other pages date structure dates.--69.62.180.166 (talk) 04:08, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Restoration by Octavian

Article states "Octavian restored parts of the complex in 32 BC, and in AD 21". Octavian is a link to this page:Caesar_Augustus, which states that he died in AD 14. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fab Bulbasaur (talk • contribs) 08:13, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Article needs major additions

There is no mention of of the exact size or dimensions of the theatre. No mention of changes made by various Emperors such as Nero or Caligula. No mention of the fires that destroyed much of the site and the number of times costly repairs were done.

The Medieval period of the Orsini family fortress is only touched on but no mention of the Orsini family.

The article has good length and I am satisfied with that but I need more references and much more detail in the Archeology section.

I take blame for all of this. Not many people really contributing so I can't blame anyone else. LOL! But I have decided to start discussions from now on before making any changes to articles....including those I seem to be the only editor on.--Amadscientist (talk) 23:43, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

This article has nothing to do with the city of Pompeii

Pompeii was named after Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus, but bastardised his name. The Theatre of Pompey uses the name taken exactly from the man's public title which was "Pompey The Great". This is not a mis-spelling.

Don't edit on Wikipedia if you have absolutely NO working knowledge of the subject.--Amadscientist (talk) 02:30, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Theatre of Pompey/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Starting review. Pyrotec (talk) 19:03, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Initial comments

There is a lot of information in the article, but several sections/subsections lack in-line citations; so this article is non-compliant in respect of WP:Verify and possibly WP:OR.

I'm not going to fail the article at this point, as it is capable of being improved. However, the article is likely to be placed On Hold, rather than receive a Pass. Pyrotec (talk) 16:49, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

I will now review the article section by section, but leaving the WP:Lead until last. Pyrotec (talk) 20:01, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• History -

• Reference 2 is broken, it gives an 404 error message; the web address needs updating.
• 3rd paragraph unreferenced
• 4th paragraph unreferenced

• • Architecture -

• Entirely unreferenced

• Complex -

• Entirely unreferenced

• • Temples -

• Mostly unreferenced, only Temple A has a footnote.

• • Porticus Pompei -

• Entirely unreferenced

• • Curia, assassination of Caesar -

• Generally well referenced, however:
• Reference 9 is a book and the page number of the in-line citations needs to be provided.
• The final three paragraphs are unreferenced.

• The site today -

• The first paragraph is unreferenced and it has a {{citation needed}} flag.
• 3rd paragraph unreferenced
• 4th paragraph unreferenced
• 6th paragraph unreferenced

• • Archaeology -

• Entirely unreferenced

• Existing Roman theatres in the same style -

• 1st paragraph unreferenced

• WP:Lead -

• A reasonable lead.

I'm putting the WP:GAN On Hold at this point. Pyrotec (talk) 20:17, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

The article's inline citations can easily be expanded. I will get to work on that.--Amadscientist (talk) 19:23, 7 September 2009 (UTC) Real life got in the way ......I understand if you want to move on. I should have time in the next few days though.--Amadscientist (talk) 06:17, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Overall summary

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

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An interesting article.

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   B. MoS compliance:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

I'm closing this nomination as little, if any, work has been carried out in correcting the non-compliances highlighted above. The article can of course be resubmitted for WP:GAN, but I would suggest that the referencing is improved before doing so. Pyrotec (talk) 18:11, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Marked for improvements

Needing additional referemces and some copyediting.--Amadscientist (talk) 13:37, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

The riot of Pompeii

I can't remember when, but after a riot caused by by gladiatorial combat, all games at the thearter were banned for seven years. Kaasci (talk) 14:43, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Too much general material Comment

This article suffers from a surfeit of material that is not specifically relevant to this theatre and should be deleted. For example, the general description of Roman theater; or the history of the curia in Rome. (I see that the page is also on the Classics WikiProject page, but it's been there for a while.) - Eponymous-Archon (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:57, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

MOVING: Assassination of Caesar

Currently, there is an embedded description of the assassination of Caesar, within Architecture under Description. This seems to be a really weird place for this description.

Perhaps an entirely separate "Assassination of Caesar" section should be added? Feel free to discuss! LegesRomanorum (talk) 21:42, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Better just mention that the murder occurred here and move all the details to Julius Caesar, I think. - Eponymous-Archon (talk) 00:09, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Overlay map confusing

I don't see how the overlay map by Amadscientist corresponds to the situation on the ground now. Here's the OpenStreetMap view of the area. Of course, you need to rotate one 90°, but even then, I don't see that the building outlines line up. Can someone show me how they do? - Eponymous-Archon (talk) 00:24, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Dedication Inconsistencies

I don't want to start an edit war, so I'll explain myself. I changed "dedicated" to "completed" in the first paragraph for the year 55 BC of the Origin section because in the following paragraph it states that the theatre was dedicated in 52 BC. I made a mistake in not checking which one was correct before I changed it, but one of them can't be correct. Nennahz (talk) 13:22, 12 July 2017 (UTC)