Talk:Theo Gavrielides

Help needed

I am keen to help update this article. It is not clear why it had been tagged. Help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Cleverboy inn (talk) 21:24, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

It has been tagged because there have been several brand new editors who have attempted to turn it into a promotional vehicle, which is a misuse of Wikipedia. Some of their problematic editing remains in the article, which badly needs to be based on independent reliable sources instead of selfpromotional fluff. If you can help with that, great! But do avoid the pitfalls the last several new editors have found themselves in. MrOllie (talk) 21:32, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you MOllie. This is really useful as I am just learning. Keen to learn. I will review the content and research independent sources as you suggested. 148.252.145.94 (talk) 12:12, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Dear @MrOllie , I hope that you are well. I read carefully the guidelines and proceeded with editing the piece by adding references that are not linked to the living subject matter. I also made some minor additions to the text based on some information that I was able to find. Grateful for your support as I am building my knowledge to support wikipedia. I was also wondering if I could be "adopted" by you as a more experienced editor? I understand that this is a possibility as per the welcome message. Cleverboy inn (talk) 07:23, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

I do not participate in that program. MrOllie (talk) 11:08, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Dear @MrOllie thank you for letting me know. I will search the directory. In the meantime, can you provide me feedback just on this post and whether I should also be removing the tag? It is not clear whether this can be done only by advanced editors. I also made another addition to a different post. If you could provide feedback on this I would be extremely grateful. Thank you again. Cleverboy inn (talk) 12:11, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

It is generally not a great idea for new editors to remove any sort of autobio or COI tag, as the assumption will be that they share the conflict. MrOllie (talk) 21:11, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Dear @MrOllie thank you for clarifying this. I am rather confused though. I have noticed that you have followed this article for some time. I asked for you help to improve it. I made the additions your requested focusing on adding references that are verifiable and independent. As per the above history, I asked for your feedback and if I addressed the concerns so that you can remove the tag. You did not answer and only sent the above message when I removed the tac.

I believe and indeed hope that this is a safe space for us to learn and support each other. Can you please help me by answering the above issues and facts that I raised? Can you also clarify if there is any conflict of interest on your part as you seem to be rather invested in this article. I am sorry if I am making assumptions. Thank you in advance. Cleverboy inn (talk) 14:43, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

The sources you have been adding have either been directly associated with the bio subject (because he wrote them or they were published by an affiliated org) or they are trivial mentions (times he was quoted in the media). These sources do not address the concerns I mentioned above. Your use of citations to this author on another page also make me feel you may be another affiliated editor. MrOllie (talk) 14:46, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @MrOllie This is feedback that I can work on with your guidance. For example, can you point out which references are not adequate and which sections need improving?

I am a volunteer specialising in justice, youth justice and restorative justice. I have started editing pages of this content. I do not feel qualified to edit other types of pages. I do not feel strongly about any of the pages I work on. I just feel strongly about being treated with fairness, transparency and respect especially since we are all volunteering here for a greater educational cause. I look forward to getting your detailed guidance and learning from you. I have also asked the help from another experienced editor. Cleverboy inn (talk) 14:54, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Dear @MrOllie would you be so kind and point out the resources that you have identified to be inadequate? I have compared the ones that I added to other similar sources for biographies and I fail to see the difference. It would also be great if you could respond to my comments, as I find this constructive and respectful. Cleverboy inn (talk) 12:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

You added stuff that is clearly written by the subject of the article and/or by groups he is associated with. I don't know how to be any more clear than that - you presumably read the citations you added, I'm sure you know which ones I'm talking about. With respect, I have not signed up to be your guide to Wikipedia sourcing, and I'll respond on my own schedule. MrOllie (talk) 12:36, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @MrOllie I will give this another go after I have read the guidance again and by all means feel free to respond in your own time. Cleverboy inn (talk) 12:42, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Alyo Thank you for offering to help with this page. I have left a message on your page regarding the issue with this and other living author pages I tried to improved. I have now spent a considerable amount of time improving this page following feedback from other users and having ready the guidance a few times. Grateful if you could review and advise on the tag. Many thanks for stepping in as I am keen to learn. Cleverboy inn (talk) 06:33, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

@Alyo I based my modification on this similar living author page including the subheadings Lawrence W. Sherman Cleverboy inn (talk) 06:34, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

It was another promotional rewrite, so I reverted it. MrOllie (talk) 11:15, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Re: your edit summary, 'Kindly respect the process please', the process is outlined at WP:BRD. It does not include edit warring to try to force in your version of the article over the objections of others. MrOllie (talk) 11:55, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

• The new proposed 'Key research findings' section is particularly problematic, being apparently WP:original research based on primary sources. For something to be described as a 'key research find' there would have to be a good secondary source making that determination. Bon courage (talk) 12:19, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
• I've EC protected the article for three months for sock/meatpuppetry. I've also blocked Cleverboy inn and Wuilkane as socks/meat of Tgavrielides. Particularly telling is Tgavrielides deleted contribs compared to Wuilkane's first edit. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:30, 11 October 2024 (UTC)