Talk:Thermal energy/Archive 2

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This page is so bad...

This page is so badly written that I am using it as an example for the CRAAP Test for studying sources on the Internet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.30.225.230 (talk) 00:24, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

I agree. The main problem here is that there is no generally accepted thermodynamic defined term called "thermal energy" as we can see. So each contributor is trying to assert different definitions of the term and the result is confusing.

The article should make it clear in the first paragraph that there is no general consensus as to what the term "thermal energy" means.

There are at least three different usages of the term. If one uses "thermal energy" to mean "heat content" (e.g. as a measure of the heat flow per degree Kelvin temperature change per mole or kg of substance at constant volume) then one is effectively using "thermal energy" as a measure of internal energy. If that is how it is used, why use "thermal energy" at all? If one uses "thermal energy" to refer to that part of internal energy of a substance that contributes to temperature, then one is effectively using "thermal energy" as a measure of the average translational kinetic energy of the constituent molecules of the substance. This is how, for example, the term is used in the Hyperphysics site at Georgia State University: ( http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Kinetic/eqpar.html#c2 ). In that case, a unit of liquid water and a unit of water ice at 0C have the same thermal energy. Finally, one could use the term "thermal energy" to refer to the total kinetic energy of the molecules of a substance. This ignores potential energy (ie. due to inter-molecular separation or molecular vibration) so it differs from U , internal energy. I note that the statement "the internal energy is the sum total of the gas's independent particles' kinetic energies" is incorrect. AMSask (talk) 19:52, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

I have avoided trying edit the page since it seemed to be owned by editors who know best.

The term 'thermal energy' has been used sporadically, even by such great physicists as James Clerk Maxwell. As observed, it is not a standardly defined term in thermodynamics.

I am not interested in trying to fix the page, because I see difficulties in such an attempt.Chjoaygame (talk) 20:19, 18 December 2020 (UTC)