Talk:Thomas Francis Meagher/Archive 1

earlier comments

Where did you get the "envenomed martinet" bit? WB2 06:25, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

194.46.77.207 ... Is this long quote necessary? WB2 06:42, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Tic Toc [expecting answer] WB2 23:19, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

quotes

7 + or – 2 words on phrases and small clauses before the period goes on the inside.

At least that's what I was told by an old Grammarian when I was back in highschool; but he did also say, "[that's a] rule of thumb".

WB2 06:57, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

There are still big problems with this article

Much of the contents of this article appear to be very innaccurate and defamatory.

I will try to fix what I can.

WB2 04:06, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Pronunciation of "Meagher"

I provided the edit of the pronunciation of the name "Meagher" and was challenged by those who would pronounce it "Mayor". Proof for my edit was requested along with a comment that suggested I was telling the familiy how to pronounce their own name, or words to that effect. I have no intention to offend anyone and far be it from me to tell any family how to pronounce their name, but Thomas Francis Meagher did not pronounce his name "Mayor". Here is my proof: 1. Meagher was of a line that came from Tipperary where the name was O'Meagher and before that O'Meachair from the Irish word meachar meaning "soft", "kind" or "hospitable". This word can be pronounced "MAW-her". 2. A common variant on the name Meagher is Maher, which suggests the pronunciation of the parent name. It was not uncommon for Meagher families arriving in America to begin to use Maher for convienence, as a mid 19th century handwriten family journal of the Meagher/Maher family of Mortelstown, Killenaule, Tipperary clearly states. http://genforum.genealogy.com/ireland/limerick/messages/435.html 3. Meagher County in Montana, named after T.F.Meagher, is pronounced "Mahr", "Marr" or "MÄ her" 4. On a personal note, in all my time in Ireland I only heard him called "Ma-hur of the sword"

As a professional historian and a resident of Montana for over 20 years, I can confirm the information above. Meagher County is most certainly pronounced "Mahr," and that is also the way Thomas Francis Meagher's name is consistently pronounced by Montana residents (and academic historians). Other branches fo the family may pronounce that name differently, but there is no doubt at all that this man's name is pronounced "Mahr." Pitamakan 01:07, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Dear Idiot...

I was born into the family; your circumstantial evidence is immaterial.

If necessary; we will pronounce it any way that we feel. Uncle Thomas was an American, and would have been the first to demand the members of his family to adopt any and all American idiosycracies: including the accent! This is why you don't here Irish people trilling their "R's" any more, which by the way mr. "professional historian", you so clumsily failed to include as an absolutely "necessary" additional amendment when attempting to pronouce the name "Meagher" correctly.

As far as Montana is concerned; I'm sure that they'll be more than happy to know that they are neither required to trill their "R's" or leave out the long "A" when pronouncing my ancestor's name.

WB2 07:07, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

sherman

Sherman was not a Catholic convert...his wife was Catholic, and indeed his son Thomas became a Jesuit priest.

Removed Sherman comment from article.Mitico (talk) 12:53, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

There is no statue of Thomas Francis Meagher in Billings, Montana. The Chamber of Commerce or Montana State University-Billings history department, or the Billings Parmly Library reference department could confirm this.

Removed Billings statue comments. There is a statue in Helena. Mitico (talk) 12:53, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

No Statue in Billings

The statue of Meagher in Helena, Mt. features Meagher aboard a horse with a sword in his hand. There is no statute of Thomas Francis Meagher in Billings, Mt. Common sources will confirm (MSU-B History Dept., Billing Parmly Library, Chamber of Commerce. According to unconfirmed reports there is an statue of Meagher in Ireland. Perhaps in County Cork. A stone monument with a brass plaque reportedly marks the grave of one of Meagher's childr71.217.167.188 17:28, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

References and Flag

The information added must be cited. Please read our policies on WP:V and WP:RS. On the flag, it was designed by John Mitchel, and reference to it is made in his paper the United Irishman. O'Brien and Meagher went to France to congratulate the new French republic, and were then presented with the flag, styled on their own tri-colour. --Domer48 (talk) 17:30, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Per [1], which is cited in the article: "Thomas Francis Meagher, the Young Ireland leader, brought a tricolour of orange, white and green from Paris and presented it to a Dublin meeting. John Mitchel, referring to it, said: ‘I hope to see that flag one day waving, as our national banner’." Maybe the language needs tweaking, but the reference is there. On the side, I noticed no mention (that I found) on the John Mitchel page of designing the flag. - Mitico (talk) 17:54, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I have to get another copy of the paper from the National Liberary, and I will put it into the article. If it is any help I have an origional copy of Arthur Griffith's meagher of the Sword: Speeches of Thomas Francis Meagher in Ireland 1846-1848, if you need a hand referencing? --Domer48 (talk) 18:15, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Books by Young Irelanders & additional reading

I have removed these two sections from the main page of the article. I notice that these same list appear on other pages of "Young Irelanders."

Any references that can be used for this article should be out back in, otherwise I think these list clutter up the article. I do this understanding that great effort went into creating these entries. Any problems, let me know. --Mitico (talk) 21:09, 16 June 2008 (UTC)