Talk:Thomas J. Kelly (Irish nationalist)

Arrest

The article says "Kelly played an important role in the failed Fenian Rising of 1867 and was arrested." The next paragraph is about his arrest and rescue in the incident that led to the Manchester Martyrdom, now is this the same arrest, or was he arrested twice? If it's the same then those paragraphs should be merged. -R. fiend (talk) 14:12, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

My impression is that he was arrested twice, and escaped twice. As Kelly is usually only mentioned in passing in most of the sources I managed to consult, it hasn't proved easy to reconstruct his biography. I'll take another look at it.--Damac (talk) 14:34, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

He was arrested once. One account mentions how impressive it was that he traveled through England and Ireland seemingly freely yet was only caught once, as if he had very good intuition/sixth sense to get out of a place just in time. Sources are important to me, so my future edits to add to his story will be careful.EricaVeil (talk) 19:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Unreliable sources removed, citations requested

As Damac disregards any self-published, non-peer reviewed, non-expert source when it suits him, as can be seen here, it seems strange that this source being used in this article. It's a self published source on free web-hosting, therefore fails Damac's own high standards for sourcing. Removed and tagged accordingly. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 12:40, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

That source you refer to is not a self-published source, but rather a transcript of John Savage's, Fenian Heroes and Martyrs (Boston: Patrick Donahoe, 1868).--Damac (talk) 14:28, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

No, it isn't a transcript as the page says. The page clearly says "so caution must be used when quoting or copying what I have done for historical research purposes". This is an encyclopedia, therefore we must err on the side of caution, as it says "Scholars should refer to the original text of the book". One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 14:31, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm. I've checked the original and am amazed to find that:

"A farmer's son, Kelly was born in Mountbellew, County Galway, in 1833. After apprenticing in the printing trade in Loughrea, he emigrated to the United States in 1851, where he worked as a printer in New York. He later joined the Emmet Monument Association, an Irish-American Irish republican group."

actually reads

"Schlips gegen Uniform! Seit Monaten demonstrieren Anwälte gegen die Autokratie in Pakistan. Nach der Ermordung Benazir Bhuttos brannten Autos und Banken. Nun wird am Sonntag gewählt. Aber wer zählt die Stimmen? Über der zivilen Regierung stehen die Generäle."

How silly of me? I guess you just can't trust OCR.--Damac (talk) 14:47, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Pity your little self-published source says it isn't reliable then innit? One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 15:47, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Thomas J Kelly Family Tree

Hi, Can someone tell me who modified Thomas J Kelly's page Unpublished Kelly family tree I would be interested to see the family Tree. Tuamite

Hi Tuamite, I am the genealogist for our family tree, which I hold on ancestry.com. I am the Colonel's g-g-granddaughter. As of today, there is a lot I am trying to focus on clearing up on the tree specific to Colonel Kelly. Specifically, my sources (I have a lot!) show two wives, the first from whom I descend, and the second, who is named on his new gravestone. Did his first wife die, did the divorce, etc.? If you are from Tuam, would it be possible for you to visit St. Jarlath's to see about getting copies of his school records (circa 1848-49)? If not, I plan to visit later this year to do more research to back up many stories written.EricaVeil (talk) 19:36, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

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