Talk:Three Cocks

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The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 (talk) 13:19, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

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Aberllynfi → Three Cocks – Widely accepted English name for the village. Per WP:NCGN. Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 11:08, 30 July 2014 (UTC) Lewis Hulbert (talk) 12:56, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

• ‹The template Fake citation needed is being considered for merging.›  Red Slash 23:02, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

The name is used on UK gov sites and Ordnance Survey maps (where the data is taken from) + local businesses[1]. Not a source, but it's even on the road sign at 52.0338, -3.2047. There's not going to be many sources for a small Welsh village, but it's definitely the official English name. --Lewis Hulbert (talk) 00:08, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

• Question - what does "Three Cocks" mean in Google Books? Is it ambiguous? In ictu oculi (talk) 00:40, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't understand much about Google Books but the results seem to primarily be about the use of three cocks in Heraldry. --Lewis Hulbert (talk) 01:14, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Which per WP:CAPS doesn't count, right I see the railway station was also known by the English name before it closed, then Support. Thanks. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:04, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

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Post-RM comments

Comment: It seems the names Aberllynfi and Three Cocks hav equal standing and are both the official names. Roadsigns show Aberllynfi first, and Three Cocks second. Both names are also used by local businesses. I think re-naming the article Three Cocks is unneeded and will lead to it being vandalized. ~Asarlaí 14:44, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Having both names on a sign doesn't mean they're both in equal standing, all road signs in Wales have both the English and Welsh names on the sign. Signs for Cardiff have both Cardiff and the native Caerdydd, yet there'd be absolutely no chance of anybody claiming that the names are in equal standing for use on the English Wikipedia. Three Cocks has redirected to this article for a long time and it's received no vandalism, so I see no way that it would increase. --Lewis Hulbert (talk) 20:34, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

But the official 'welcome' signs for the nearest village show only the English name Glasbury, while the signs for this village show both: Aberllynfi first and Three Cocks second.

Also, the Ordnance Survey map shows Three Cocks/Aberllynfi for this village, but for surrounding villages only one name is given (Glasbury, Bronllys, etc). You can see the Ordnance Survey map here.

This would seem to indicate that both names are used and hav equal standing in English (unlike Caerdydd). The article name should really be something like 'Aberllynfi/Three Cocks'. ~Asarlaí 14:22, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Ordnance Survey Maps shows Glasbury/Y Clas-ar-Wy (only if you zoom in closely) and only shows Bronllys alone because there's no English name for the village, so all that seems irrelevant to the naming of Three Cocks. I don't understand your "(unlike Caerdydd)" comment since Ordnance Survey also shows Cardiff/Caerdydd.

Since I don't think either of us are going to agree on this I'm going to leave a message on the talk page for WikiProject Wales so somebody experienced with this sort of thing can give their input. --Lewis Hulbert (talk) 16:41, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

My point is that the OS map shows Three Cocks/Aberllynfi at all levels, but for other villages it only shows alternativ names if you zoom in closely. Understandably it's different for big towns/cities like Cardiff. Getting more input seems a good idea. ~Asarlaí 17:06, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

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