Talk:Thumbelina

Comment by Dugwiki

The end of the article contained a statement that "those who saw" the earlier film preferred it to the later film. That appears to be an unverified opinion. Altered the wording to "some people", and flagged for citation. If possible, provide a reference from an outside source or critics or others who expressed a preference between the two films.

Title in other languages

Please refrain from translating the title into several different languages in the lead. A long list of title translations interrupts the flow of the lead and is not necessary. If every book title in the WP database was translated into dozens of different languages in the lead, WP owuld be little more than a list of book titles in hundreds of langauges! Only the original title (and its translation into English) should appear in the "Thumbelina" lead. Please do not add additional title translations. Thanks! IndianCaverns (talk) 22:49, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

GA Assessment

Howdy Kathyrncelestewright et al - I've read the article and enjoyed it very much - nice work! I'd have a few informal suggestions and comments to make to try and help make what is a good article even better. If everyone is cool with the feedback and some improvements could be done, then I'd be happy to do a formal GA article assessment. So without further ado,

In a nutshell (oops! there's a pun :-), methinks that even though Thumbelina, of course, is a little person :-), the article itself is a little on the thin side, so I think, in general, a few judicious expansions and factoid additions would really help spruce things up. Other than that, just a few neutrality things could use some fixing.

Lead How about a bit of plot description here? You know 'Thumbelina is a tiny girl who meets all these freaky animals who want to marry her,..' etc...

• Done. Kathyrncelestewright (talk) 23:59, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Plot Summary Nice summary. I'd put the Hoffman ref. in the note in the 'Sources' section. Could we have a ref here, so as it indicate what version is being summarized?

• Done. Kathyrncelestewright (talk) 23:59, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Sources and inspiration Could this be expanded? Maybe go into what elements from the sources appear in Thumbelina? And some more Tom Thumb references?

• Done.Kathyrncelestewright (talk) 23:59, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Publication Fine by me.

• OK! Kathyrncelestewright (talk) 23:59, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Critical reception IDK - The poor critical reception thing seems to me maybe phrased a little too bluntly and overemphasized. Maybe tone it down a little.

• Done. Kathyrncelestewright (talk) 23:59, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

English translations I'd like to see more info on 20th century translations - what are some of the significant translations and more recent ones as well. Also, in me web surfing, the alternate name 'Little Tiny' comes up a lot. Should that be mentioned, mayhap?

• Done. 'Little Tiny' now in translations section. Kathyrncelestewright (talk) 23:59, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Commentaries Nice work here. To me, the last paragraph kind of sticks out a little. The tone seems somewhat emphatic and subjective and a little compressed. Could this be shortened and phrased as to clearly indicate that these are the opinions of Sale?

• Done. Kathyrncelestewright (talk) 23:59, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Adaptations Question - I find the reverse chronological order interesting - I've never seen that type of presentation before - where did that idea come from? The movie info could use some refs.

• I've seen a reverse chronological order here and there. It gives the reader the most recent versions at the top of the list. Added movie references and re-organized this section. Kathyrncelestewright (talk) 23:59, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

• Also, I believe there's been quite a great many book adaptations of the tale, there's tons of children's book versions of Thumbelina out there. Maybe touch upon that, a bit.
• Will search further. Needs reliable secondary sourcing. Kathyrncelestewright (talk) 23:59, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

I came across a few resources while browsing the interwebs - feel free to use them, if they're any help.

• http://www.surlalunefairytales.com/thumbelina/notes.html#TWO
• http://www.surlalunefairytales.com/thumbelina/biblio.html
• http://www.surlalunefairytales.com/thumbelina/themes.html
• http://list.msu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9612a&L=aejmc&P=4105
• http://books.google.com/books?id=myLDA0_brhcC&pg=RA1-PA49&dq=andersen+thumbelina+Bredsdorff&lr=#v=onepage&q=andersen%20thumbelina%20Bredsdorff&f=false
• http://books.google.com/books?id=HZg9AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA322&dq=andersen+thumbelina+Bredsdorff&lr=#v=onepage&q=thumbelina&f=false
• http://books.google.com/books?id=qvq95sG4LfMC&pg=PA258&dq=thumbelina+andersen&lr=#v=onepage&q=thumbelina%20andersen&f=false
• http://www.andersen.sdu.dk/forskning/konference/tekst_e.html?id=10929
• http://books.google.com/books?id=on0LJmiZwyIC&pg=PA121&dq=Thumbelina+bettelheim#v=onepage&q=Thumbelina%20bettelheim&f=false
• http://books.google.com/books?id=CPO_jdP4wN0C&pg=PA34&dq=thumbelina+andersen&lr=#v=onepage&q=thumbelina%20andersen&f=false
• http://books.google.com/books?id=CPO_jdP4wN0C&pg=PA34&dq=thumbelina+andersen&lr=#v=onepage&q=thumbelina%20andersen&f=false
• http://davidlavery.net/grotesque/The_Grotesque_In/grotesquechildrensliterature.html
• http://www.victorianweb.org/genre/childlit/fairytales3.html

One last suggestion - maybe.... just maybe put in a little section on 'themes'...

• Would love to do this but haven't found a reliable secondary source on this. Some themes are incorporated in the commentaries section. Kathyrncelestewright (talk) 23:59, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Cheers,

--Scott Free (talk) 19:13, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your input on this! Very much appreciated! I've incorporated your recommendations into the article and will continue to do so. I'm reading through the titles mentioned above and gleaning much that can be used. Thank you again, and please choose to do the complete GA review! Best, Kathyrncelestewright (talk) 23:59, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

You're most welcome. I'll be happy to do a formal review. Kindly drop a note when the upgrades are done, and I'll get on it. Good luck!--Scott Free (talk) 12:29, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey how's it going? Can I move on the assessment now?--Scott Free (talk) 20:09, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Hello. I just wanted to let you know that I intend to incorporate this into the article soon. --Edge3 (talk) 02:35, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Great - it can only make it gooder - thanks for help with the film refs. --Scott Free (talk) 18:54, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

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GA Reassessment

Thumbelina

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Result: Speedy delisted because of below copyright issues. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:16, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

This is another GAR that is needed due to Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/ItsLassieTime, as pretty much all the important parts of the article were written by not one, not two, but three separate sockpuppets of the user, as well as the main account. While the Adaptations section is well sourced and the plot seems ok, it definitely fails comprehensiveness now and will require delisting. Wizardman 23:34, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.