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Order of names in the info-box on the right

Why is the Chinese/Hanzi on the TOP and Tibetan/Bodyig on the BOTTOM?

Switch Tibet to the top, especially considering this is about the cultural area of Tibet and not the Chinese-controlled autonomous region of Xizang. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.54.5.25 (talk) 18:30, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

It's because the template we're using is Template:Infobox Chinese. We could switch to using Template:Tibetan-Chinese-box and the order would flip. I think the only thing we would lose would be the non-Mandarin Chinese pronunciations. – Greg Pandatshang (talk) 01:19, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

add area

• http://www.china-un.org/eng/gyzg/xizang/t424199.htm
• In the hall of the so-called "Tibetan government in exile" in Dharamsala, India, there is a large map of the supposed "greater Tibet area".

The area covers the Tibet Autonomous Region and Qinghai Province, one-fifth of the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region, one-third of Gansu Province, two-thirds of Sichuan Province and one-fourth of Yunnan Province, spanning about 2.4 million sq km and nearly a quarter of China's territory.

The Dalai Lama has advocated a "high degree of autonomy" for Tibet in such a geographic scope and made it a preliminary condition for any negotiation with the central government. But such an idea is totally absurd for three major reasons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Callofworld (talk • contribs) 08:46, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

About Mt Everest ...

Everest is not a mountain but a peak ! (In introduction's first paragraph.) --Eloimoneloi (talk) 13:05, 3 April 2017 (UTC) eloimoneloi

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Semi-protected edit request on 18 September 2017

Below change "asuzerainty" to "a suzerainty"

The Tibetan Empire emerged in the 7th century, but with the fall of the empire the region soon divided into a variety of territories. The bulk of western and central Tibet (Ü-Tsang) was often at least nominally unified under a series of Tibetan governments in Lhasa, Shigatse, or nearby locations; these governments were at various times under Mongol and Chinese overlordship. Thus Tibet remained asuzerainty of the Mongol and later Chinese rulers in Nanjing and Beijing, with reasonable autonomy given to the Tibetan leaders.[2] The eastern regions of Kham and Amdo often maintained a more decentralized indigenous political structure, being divided among a number of small principalities and tribal groups, while also often falling more directly under Chinese rule after the Battle of Chamdo; most of this area was eventually incorporated into the Chinese provinces of Sichuan and Qinghai. The current borders of Tibet were generally established in the 18th century.[3] Kai DeLorenzo (talk) 18:58, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Done SparklingPessimist ^{Scream at me!} 19:46, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

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Tibet (/tɪˈbɛt/ ; Tibetan: བོད་, Wylie: bod, Tibetan Pinyin: boe^w, pronounced [pøː˩˧˨]; Chinese: 西藏; pinyin: Xīzàng /ɕi⁵⁵ t͡sɑŋ⁵¹/) is a region on the Tibetan Plateau in Asia, spanning about 2.4 million km² and nearly a quarter of China's territory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zhaomelani (talk • contribs) 09:17, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

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Golf in Tibet

According to this link:[[1]] Hilton Hotel has opened a new resort that includes the first golf course in Tibet. Hilton recently opened the Hilton Linzhi Resort, between the Himalayas and the Yarlung Zangbo River, on 800 acres at an elevation of about 9,800 feet. The article states that this is the first golf course in Tibet. But if memory serves, there was golf in Tibet in the 1970s; as attested by a notable documentary that I saw when I was living in Germany in 1980, Wahnsinn ohne Handicap. Any clarifications would help. 192.40.24.4 (talk) 13:47, 20 September 2017 (UTC)Shandafirdie

All I can say is play there if you want a brain haemorrhage. 109.155.164.110 (talk) 00:27, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

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"Prospective/perspective"

I'd like to correct the incorrect English "from a spiritual prospective" to "from a spiritual perspective", but for some reason there's no editing function in the main article, so I can't. I'm making the comment here in the hope that someone with better technological skills can make the change for me.213.127.210.95 (talk) 18:42, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for spotting that, I have made the correction. The article is protected from editing by anonymous editors at the moment, because of previous vandalism. DuncanHill (talk) 01:30, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 March 2018

103.104.24.2 (talk) 03:45, 15 March 2018 (UTC) PETER HIẾU NGUYỄN

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Spintendo      07:22, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 January 2019

I want to replace BCE by BC. Era was defined by birth of Christ, BCE is a personal subjective non official term. Jcboulon (talk) 17:51, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. BCE is acceptable in Wikipedia articles. See WP:BCE RudolfRed (talk) 18:10, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 February 2019

I am needing to edit this document for a class that I am currently taking and it is due tonight. Johnsparten12 (talk) 15:46, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. DannyS712 (talk) 16:20, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Portal:Tibet for deletion

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Misquoted text in Tibet article section titled "From 1950 to present"

Current text: During the Great Leap Forward, between 200,000 and 1,000,000 Tibetans were murdered by Chinese military [62]

This should be changed to read: During the Great Leap Forward, between 200,000 and 1,000,000 Tibetans may have died[62]

note 62 cites "World Directory of Minorities and Indigenous Peoples – China : Tibetans". Minority Rights Group International. July 2008. Archived from the original on November 1, 2014. Retrieved April 23, 2014. The actual text from "World Directory of Minorities and Indigenous Peoples - China : Tibetans" at https://www.refworld.org/docid/49749d3dc.html says:

"Land reforms and the loss of the lamas' traditional power led first to unrest in eastern Kham and Amdo in the mid-1950s. The Great Leap Forward period (during which anywhere between 200,000 and 1 million Tibetans may have died) was also one during which there was growing disdain shown by Chinese authorities to the traditional Tibetan religious and political leaders such as the Dalai Lama." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.10.245.11 (talk) 20:27, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

I have checked the source and made the suggested change.[2] PrimeHunter (talk) 19:33, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 October 2019

Quote: "Tibet (/tɪˈbɛt/ (About this soundlisten); Tibetan: བོད་, Lhasa dialect: [/pʰøː˨˧˩/]; Chinese: 西藏; pinyin: Xīzàng) is a region in Asisa covering much of the Tibetan Plateau."

Request to edit: Asia is misspelled as "Asisa". 47.20.6.121 (talk) 21:39, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

 Done. El_C 21:43, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2020

most of this area was eventually incorporated into the Chinese provinces of Sichuan, Gansu, yun-nan, and Qinghai. Tibet independence (talk) 18:04, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:07, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

If taking "most" to be a majority, it is false based on an areal calculation based on the sum of the areas of the Tibet Autonomous Region (1,228,400 km²), all of Qinghai (721,200 km²), and the autonomous prefectures of Gansu (Gannan 38,311.56 km²), Sichuan (Ngawa at 82,383.32 km² and Garzê at 147,681.37 km²), and Yunnan (Diqing 23,185.59 km²). The TAR is larger than all the others combined. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 18:20, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 July 2020

Tibet country occupied by China. Raviraju vzm (talk) 10:57, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. - Timbaaa -> ping me 11:08, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Occupation?

I am perplexed that nearly every word about the occupation and indepence movement has been microedited away from this article. nice work chinese goverment. Crass Spektakel (talk) 23:49, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

   This is a grave situation.  Dg21dg21  1:13, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

I do agree. This article goes to great lengths to avoid talking anything about China. It is disgusting how little integrity Wikipedia has. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.16.226.235 (talk) 11:24, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Help needed at Tengri Khan and Tengri Tribe

Input at the above pages would be appreciated. One of them is nominated for deletion; I am in this because it was on a list of articles that needed categories. Neither I, nor, I believe, the nominator, have any particular topic knowledge outside of Wikipedia, and I agree that the article definitely has room for improvement; I have edited it extensively but only for grammar and wiki links. I have become interested and believe this khan may have been part of the Second Turkic Khaganate, but sources are sparse in the languages I speak and any help or comment is welcome. I do realize that Tengri is also mountain and/or a god; the article says he took this name when he became khan. On the other hand, the editor who created the article is not available for questions. Thank you for any brainpower applied to this problem, particularly if you own or are familiar with any of the listed sources. Elinruby (talk) 08:59, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 October 2021

"It is the traditional homeland of the Tibetan people as well as some other ethnic groups such as Monpa, Tamang, Qiang, Sherpa, and Lhoba peoples and is now also inhabited by considerable numbers of Han Chinese and Hui people."

Could you please remove Tamang people from the above group of people. It is well known that Tamangs are originally from hilly areas of Nepal. There is no written proof that Tamangs had homeland in Tibet. Tamang also speak Tamangic and not Tibetic language. It is fair to say to Tamangs are the original inhabitant of Nepal, not Tibet. Tamangs are also designated as the indigenous people of Nepal by the Nepal Government. 50sec (talk) 13:37, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:12, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Omission: Climate of Tibet.

I'm fairly sure that Tibet must have weather of some sort. But it doesn't have much in this article (a few words in the geography section). Shouldn't it have a section of its own? FreeFlow99 (talk) 13:14, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Tibet's rebellions

Every year, on March 10th, the Tibetans commemorate their rebellion of March 10th,1959 in Qing hai. This revolt followed their Xun hua's great uprising on April 17,1958. Their protests against the annexion of Tibet by China inearly the 50's. Despite the peace agreement signed by the two sides, it didn't succeed to alleviate their hatred against the invaders. Already, since 1956, the tibetans' d created their PLA (People Liberation Army) composed of guerilla to fight against PRC (People Republic of China), subsequently, they underwent sanguinary repressions executed by chinese authorities in Xun hua )Lhassa)and Gangca (Qing hai)whose victims were in majority ethnic minorities hui (musulmans and salars) beside tibetan, and even their spiritual leadership, the Panchen Lama (1938 - 1989), descendant of Dalai Lama Vth, while the Dalai Lama XIVth (born 1935) was forced to flee away and took refuge in India (at McLeod Ganj). The world media has been informed only but the fate of the Uyghurs ethnic in Xin jiang, not the sort of tibetans who underwent the same life's conditions, even worst. May the border's disputes between China and India (Ladakh) took source from the story that India had given Dalai Lama's shelter because the latter was object of chinese kidnapping and arrests! So, don't be surprised if PRC (People Republic of China) remains recalcitrant to return Hoang sa archipelago to us despite our sovereignty's claims over Hoang sa (Paracelse) and Truong sa (Spratley), since their aggression on January 19th, 1974, even, they persist to build bastion (fortress), rename Hoang sa as Zhóngsa, send oil-rig HD 981 at Hoang sa proxi mity. Their aggressive activities coincided with the rumor about huge submarine petrol's reserves (28 billions of barrels) in South China sea following the drastic oil crisis caused by Yom Kippur war (1973).

Quoc Anh Nguyen115.79.27.141 (talk) 03:03, 20 January 2022 (UTC)--115.79.27.141 (talk) 03:03, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

So, what do you want to add to the article? Dimadick (talk) 03:37, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 May 2022

Bopomofo pronunciation is written incorrectly. Match it to what is currently given for Chinese and pinyin 72.220.128.151 (talk) 14:38, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:42, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

"Inhabited" should be changed to "occupied".

Wikipedia seems to suffer from a purely political bias on this entire topic. 70.73.175.85 (talk) 16:57, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

 Done. Changed it to "settlers". -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:59, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 July 2022

Under section 3.9 From 1950 to present "During the Great Leap Forward, between 200,000 and 1,000,000 Tibetans may have died[61]" remitted entirely as speculation.

Link references https://www.refworld.org/docid/49749d3dc.html as source ID [61]. "The Great Leap Forward period (during which anywhere between 200,000 and 1 million Tibetans may have died)" is written on the page, however at the top of the page it says, "This is not a UNHCR publication. UNHCR is not responsible for, nor does it necessarily endorse, its content. Any views expressed are solely those of the author or publisher and do not necessarily reflect those of UNHCR, the United Nations or its Member States."

Additionally this speculation on an unauthenticated article contradicts the following sources The China Quarterly No. 27 (Jul. - Sep., 1966), pp. 120-122 (3 pages) Published By: Cambridge University Press (https://www.jstor.org/stable/651478) and https://case.edu/affil/tibet/booksAndPapers/tibetan.population.geographic.dist.pdf Document 9 (page 515) Point 3 explains the data showing there was little decline in population.

What both of these sources write is that the population of Tibetans in Tibet was about 1,200,000. Thus is was impossible 1 million died and no data shows a significant drop in population. While data before 1950 shows the population was on a decline, during the period of the Great Leap Forward, as the original remark states, shows population increase and the case.edu source in detail breaks this down. Snipo117 (talk) 22:40, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: The author of the report, Miniority Rights Group, appears to be a reliable source. Tintinkien (talk) 10:41, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Tibet means Tibet Autonomous Region

Tibet 西藏 commonly means Tibet Autonomous Region, similarly China means PRC, the Tibet Autonomous Region page should become Tibet page, this page should become new page Tibetan Region 藏区. Toto11zi (talk) 01:37, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

References to Maxwell and Calvin

Sometime in 2011, Zanhe add these two passages:

In 1914 the Tibetan government signed the Simla Accord with Britain, ceding the South Tibet region to British India. The Chinese government denounced the agreement as illegal.

In 1962 China and India fought a brief war over the disputed South Tibet and Aksai Chin regions. Although China won the war, Chinese troops withdrew north of the McMahon Line, effectively ceding South Tibet back to India.

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The text is entirely WP:OR with citaions added seem WP:FAKE. The term "South Tibet" doesn't appear in either source nor does "Simla Accord" (whatever that means). That the "Chinese government" denounced the agreement as "illegal" appears only in Calvin. Calvin does claim that both Kuomintang and PRC called it "illegal" and I can find a similar statement in Alastair Lamb, but no evidence was given for the claim. The present day PRC calls it "illegal" (as is well-known), but that is not to say that the Chinese government in 1914 "denounced" it. See Talk:Arunachal Pradesh/Archive 1#Chinese position for a prior discussion of the issue.

The second passage is even more problematic. China is said to have fought a war "over South Tibet and Aksai Chin regions". Where does Calvin make any such claim? China has only called the war a "self-defence counterattack". Never did it claim that it was fighting over territory. "Ceding South Tibet back to India" is similarly nonsense. China made only three thrusts into the so-called "South Tibet", in Tawang, Subansiri and at Walong. The occupation would have involved no more than 4 or 5 disticts out of 26. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 01:59, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 January 2023

I want to change some necessary stuff in this wiki page to give readers more accurate information please thankyou. KINGOFSOCCER123 (talk) 20:41, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

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