Talk:Timebomb (Tove Lo song)/GA1

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Reviewer: Kyle Peake (talk · contribs) 07:07, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

soon --Kyle Peake (talk) 07:07, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Infobox looks good
• Edit: Music video belongs in the infobox not external links; see "Amazing" for how  Done
• "for her debut studio album" → "from her debut studio album"  Done
• "It was written" → "The song was written" as you referenced the album more recently  Comment: I changed it to "track", because otherwise the word "song" would appear in two consecutive sentences (is a song by Swedish singer and songwriter Tove Lo from her debut studio album, Queen of the Clouds (2014). The song was written)
• "produced by the latter" → "produced by Åhlund" since there is more than 2 people listed  Done
• "the song was later" → "it was later"  Done
• ""Timebomb" is an" → "The song is an"  Comment: Why?
• Merge "It received..." with the second para and start with "Timebomb received..." this is because you not only reference the album's title for the second time, but also this info is not to do with the song's release/musical info Done
• "positive reviews by" → "positive reviews from"  Done
• "However, the track" → "However, the song" for consistency  Not done "with many of them deeming it as one of the best songs from Queen of the Clouds. However, the song was not commercially successful"

  Change to "the best tracks" instead then and "However, it"  Done

• "A music video for "Timebomb"" → "An accompanying music video for it" Not done would end up like this: "A music video for it was released on 22 June 2015. It depicts Lo performing the song..."

  "A music video for the song" works as you shouldn't ref the title twice in one lead para or use the track even; consistency!  Done

• "It received positive reviews" → "The visual received positive reviews" as too much "it" is tedious  Done
• Target LGBTQ → LGBT  Done
• "The singer performed" → "Lo performed" as you referenced her name a while back  Not done Her name was referenced two sentences before, in "It depicts Lo performing the song on a beach..."

  Fine, actually

  Thanks for all this and the track can only be the alt reference for consistency in this case, fixed for you as it's only minor

Background and release

• "also produced it, programmed it and" → "also handled the production and programming of it, and"  Done
• "helped mastering it" → "helped master it"  Done
• "Room, Stockholm and David" → "Room, Stockholm, and David" Done
• "of the singer's debut studio album, Queen of the Clouds (2014)." → "of Queen of the Clouds." as you've already told us the debut album status and it being from 2014 in the lead  Comment: I mentioned many things in the lead; like the writers of the song, its genre, the release date; so everything mentioned in the lead should not be mentioned again in the body of the article?

  I didn't mean it like that, but the fact(s) that it is debut album and released in 2014 should only be mentioned in the lead; this is how it is commonly done for song articles  Done

• Shouldn't the above sentence in question be in the second para since it's about release?  Done
• ""Timebomb" was initially" → "The song was initially" as you don't need to state the title that much  Not done the sentences would end up like this: "The song is included on "The Sex" section of the singer's debut studio album, Queen of the Clouds (2014). The song was initially..."

  Fine, actually

• "on the US contemporary hit radio" → "to US contemporary hit radio stations" Done
• Target remixes → Remix
• "was digitally released" → "was digitally released as a single"  Question: the sentence would end up like this: "Nonetheless, a remixes single of "Timebomb" was digitally released as a single in Europe on 12 August 2015"

  Don't change, actually

Composition

• Remove WikiLink to piano as you've already done this in the first section Done
• "and an "anthemic" and "shouty"" → "and an "anthemic", "shouty""  Done
• "compared the song with" → "compared the song to"  Done
• "In the lyrics" → "With the lyrics"  Not done Why should I change it?

  The former reads weirdly, since she is talking about the romance with the usage of the lyrics  Done

• "that first moment."[24]" → "that first moment".[24]" for grammar consistency  Not done per MOS:LQ, "If the quotation is a full sentence and it coincides with the end of the sentence containing it, place terminal punctuation inside the closing quotation mark."
• Is it an author or the staff?  Done it's the staff

  Fine, actually

@Kyle Peake: I have addressed your comments. --Paparazzzi (talk) 18:32, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

@Paparazzzi: This isn't the end of the review just yet, but thanks for addressing my current batch! --Kyle Peake (talk) 19:52, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Reception

• Do we really need the img there? It can pass illustrated without because of the other img, it doesn't state what was praised about her.  Comment: It is included to show who Tove Lo is; you can tell that her face is not visible in the artwork of the single

  The latter part is true but as for the explanation, that logic is flawed as not every article of an artist's song requires a picture of them.

• "from critics." → "from music critics."  Done
• "was "the best thing [Tove Lo has] ever done" and praised" → "was the best thing that Tove Lo has "ever done" and praised" since grammar shouldn't be inside quotes for consistency and "the best thing" is encyclopedic so doesn't need speech marks  Done
• "called it a" → "called the song a" as you need to not use "it" too much
• "madcap stampede [...] with talky lyrics..." → "madcap stampede", white pointing out "talky lyrics..."  Done
• "deemed it one" → "deemed the song as one"  Done
• "On his review of" → "In his review of"  Done
• "called it" → "called "Timebomb"" as you have wrote "best tracks" and the album's title since last using "it" or "the song" Done
• "from that website" → "from the website"  Done
• "described it as" → "described the song as"  Done
• "called it one of the best songs" → "called "Timebomb" one of the best songs" as it's a new para and you can change below  Done
• "said that "Timebomb" was the" → "said that the song was the" Done
• Change target Redbull to Red Bull  Done
• "number 5" → "number five" per MOS:NUMBERS  Done
• "era Kate Bush."[33]" → "era Kate Bush".[33]" as there is no fullstop at that point in the source Done
• "On the other hand," → "In a more negative review," as this comes after all positive Done
• Start new para in this section for the commercial reception as it is three lines long Done
• "It first entered the" → "It entered the" as first is essentially useless here since that's obvious  Done
• "It spent eight weeks" → "The song spent eight weeks" Done

Music video

Background and release

• "According to the singer" → "According to Lo" as you haven't mentioned her surname for quite a while by this point and it's a new section so yeah  Done
• "archieve this, she" → "achieve this, she"  Done OMG, hahaha
• "ages, and sexual orientations who, in her opinion," → "ages and sexual orientations, who she claimed,"
• Does nipple need to be WikiLinked? It is a relatively common word...
• "the clip in a beach" → "the clip on a beach" as you can't film "in a beach"
• "were published in several websites" → "were published by several websites"
• Target Noise11 to Paul Cashmere
• "women bodies were always sexualized" → "women's bodies were always sexualized"
• WikiLink lyric video as done here
• "while the lyrics are shown" → "while the lyrics are displayed"
• "It was directed" → "The visual was directed" as you started the last sentence with "it"
• "previously directed "Talking Body"'s lyric visual" → "previously directed the lyrical visual for "Talking Body""
• "shared a 28-seconds" → "shared a 28-second" as that's how you commonly reference such a time in this context
• "It finally premiered" → "The video finally premiered"
• Remove WikiLink to website
• "and the artist" → "and the singer" as you don't need too many nicknames
• "to online chat site" → "to the online chat site"

 Done to all of this. --Paparazzzi (talk) 16:32, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Synopsis and reception

• "takes place in a beach" → "takes place on a beach"  Done
• "sitting in a wood platform" → "sitting on a wood platform" as she isn't literally sat inside it  Done
• Remove WikiLinks to sexual orientations as they are commonly known of, also remove the one on old age but keep biracial Done
• "the artist appears" → "the singer appears" Done
• Add the fact that reviews were positive at the start of the second para  Not done per WP:SYNTH
• WikiLink Complex
• "described it as "emotional [...] simple..." → "described it from an emotional standpoint as "simple..." as it is best to avoid [...] especially in cases like this where emotional is only present in the title of the article
• "stated that it had" → "stated that the video had"
• Change to The Line of Best Fit
• Target LGBTQ → LGBT
• "supportive songs and videos" → "supportive songs, and videos"
• "Spanish website" → "Spanish website Jenesaispop"
• "Gay in Madrid, Spain, which" → "Gay in Madrid, which" as not only is it commonly known that Madrid is in Spain, but you have already stated Spanish website in this sentence so the implication is relatively high

 Done to all of this. --Paparazzzi (talk) 16:41, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Live performances

• "On 23 May 2015, she sang it at the Boston..." → "On 23 May, she sang it at the 2015 Spring Boston..." as that is the actual name of the festival and stating the MD date is fine when it says the year in the same sentence
• "included in the set list of her" → "included on the set list of the singer's"
• "and tracks from" → "among tracks from" as otherwise there are three close usages of "and"

 Done to all of this. --Paparazzzi (talk) 16:43, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Track listings

• Good

Charts

• Should "chart" have the c capitalized?  Comment: no, because that's not part of the name of the chart. --Paparazzzi (talk) 16:43, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Release history

• Remixes should be in brackets for the second release  Done

References

• This is my fault for archiving so I did the ones outside of the first two sections because I couldn't revert as this would disrupt your writing, so change each "url-status=alive" to "dead-url=no"  Done
• WikiLink Scandipop to Nordic popular music  Not done Scandipop is the name of the website

  Keep Scandipop as the publisher but WikiLink it to Nordic popular music as it is currently a redirect to that page

   Not done Scandipop.co.uk and Scandipop are related but not the same thing; scandipop is basically pop music made by Scandinavian artists, while Scandipop.co.uk is a website that covers that kind of music. They are still not the same thing so...

• Does ref 4 need to be two refs together or can they be split as there is no written reason?  Comment: because they complement each other, that's why they are together
• WikiLink Billboard on ref 7  Done
• Remove italicization on ref 10's publisher Done
• WikiLink iTunes Store on ref 11
• Target DirectLyrics to SpinMedia on ref 16
• WikiLink and make The Line of Best Fit a website on ref 17
• Remove Billboard WikiLink on ref 20
• Change target Redbull to Red Bull on ref 22
• Change Untitled Magazine to being a magazine on ref 23
• Change AllMusic to a publisher on ref 27
• Change Stereogum to being a website on ref 31
• Change Fortitude Magazine to being a magazine on ref 35
• Remove WikiLink to Sverigetopplistan on ref 38
• Change ref 39 to citing a magazine from a publisher
• Change ref 40 to citing a website from ditto
• Target Noise11 to Paul Cashmere on ref 41
• Change ref 47 to citing a publisher from work
• Is ref 47 really a reliable source?  Comment: Yes. It was the website where you could stream the video and watch it with another fans and even Tove Lo herself if you were lucky! It was made by Tove's label
• Change ref 48 to having no italicization and citing a website from publisher
• Remove italicization on ref 49
• Change ref 51 to citing its publisher as a website  Comment: it is already cited as a website; TLOBF was cited as a website in previous cites as well
• Change ref 58 to having no italicization and citing a magazine from publisher
• WikiLink Digital Journal on ref 59
• Add ref 63 to being with the other refs about Europe in the first section since it is the only one that isn't for some reason?  Not done adding it in the first section would cause a WP:CITEKILL

 Done to all of this.

Final comments and verdict

 On hold for now, good work on this, but there are a few issues that need fixing before I can pass this. --Kyle Peake (talk) 16:24, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

@Kyle Peake: I have addressed your comments. --Paparazzzi (talk) 17:22, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

@Paparazzzi: Remove the IMG of Tove Lo? --Kyle Peake (talk) 18:15, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

@Kyle Peake:  Done --Paparazzzi (talk) 19:27, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

✓ Pass! --Kyle Peake (talk) 04:56, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.