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How is this a timeline?

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Im not sure what the purpose of this article is when: A. It documents few actual claims made by the government about links. B. Those it does document, such as claims made by Cheney before the war about Atta in Prague, were supported at the time they were made, with credible sources. C. The timeline format is obviously lost in the above example (and this repeats in the article) when Cheneys claim is cast in doubt (but not fully debunked) in passages from Senate reports a year or two after the war began, or by journalist analysis five years after that even. D. Again the timeline is confused when 911 commission or Senate intel board inquiries published many months or years after an alleged claim is made, add a qualifier that relationships werent "operational" implying a debunking of any notion of a link... when that qualifying word wasnt part of the alleged claim- and the report often actually confirmed that intel existed to support the claim when it was made? The conclusion an honest reader must draw from this is the article merely seeks to confuse the issue with deception; more than the case it tries to make against the administration. The fact is that the whole issue has become a strawman for the anti war side. The administration made very few claims about such links, the most prominent being cheney on meet the press. (At the time he made them they were credible). The SOLE written document justifying the war, the joint resolution, made ZERO claims of links but did mention Saddams support of international terrorism which is well documented. Yet this article and those similar that link to it imply that claimed links between Saddam and Al Qaeda were what comprised the reason for the Iraq war. What again is a strawman? Something false, fabricated, propped up in a debate to be knocked down and then say "see that thing was false and fabricated". I dislike this appears more of a rant than a discussion how to improve the article but the most direct way to do that would be to delete the whole thing and start from scratch with... listing, in timeline format, claims made by the govt about links between al qaeda and saddam? And if aspersion is cast upon them, that further intelligence or analysis is placed in the appropriate slot in the timeline? Like tell us what was concluded about Atta in 2006 or 2008 when we knew that, not next to what cheney claimed in 2003- as if he had a crystal ball? I dont beleve any experienced editors here, no matter their opinions on the war,.are so dumb they cant review the article against the above listed complaints and see how obvious these issues are. Whether they choose to alter the content or walk away from the steaming pile it is is up to them. Just deleting the article or whole sections of it is frowned upon but if one deleted all the innuendo or agenda driven deception not much will be left.Batvette (talk) 18:15, 10 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

Cheney's Atta information was known to be wrong in 2003 when he cited it. The whole point of him establishing the OSP was to bring raw intel to public light after it had already been discredited by CIA analysts. The reason this article started was to keep track of all the allegations and the responses to those allegations, since they kept resurfacing out of context in other articles. 2606:6000:675D:CE00:30A8:6DFA:8FB1:F83E (talk) 23:06, 16 November 2019 (UTC)Reply
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