Talk:Timeline of Scottish history

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I have removed the cleanup tag because there have been no specific comments on the features of the article which need improvement. Feel free to replace it and on this page comment specifically on what is needed. Nesbit 23:01, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Factual corrections

These are as follows with the relevant dates;

563-Columba did not 'reintroduce' Christianity: it had never gone away.

1156-Somerled did not 'end' Viking power in the west of Scotland; he established his own Norse-Gaelic kingdon. The Viking-Norse presence in the area continued on and off until the Treaty of Perth in 1266.

1164-Somerled was not 'Lord of the Isles'-a title which did not exist until the fourteenth century-but King of the Hebrides.

1493 Lordship of the Isles was only abolished in this year. The title was not incorporated into the crown until 1540.

1568-Mary did not flee to England after the murder of Darnley but after her defeat at Langside.

1592-Presbyterianism is not 'a religion' but a form of church government. The provisions of the act of 1592 only lasted a few years. In the early years of the following century Episcopacy was reintroduced. (See time line for 1689).

1651-1660 Scotland not conquered by Cromwell over this period (he was dead by 1658) but incorporated into the Commonwealth and subsequently the Protectorate (and then back into the Commonwealth!) hello —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.154.7.229 (talk) 08:04, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

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Southern Scotland was indeed conquered by Cromwell in 1650. Originally the Republic wished to annex southern Scotland for the England but union was the more profitable option. Ref: Dow, F., Cromwellian Scotland, (John Donald, Glasgow; 1979), p.11 and many many others.

Article edited to include the English Civil Wars (the invasion of Scotland and the three Scottish invasions of England cannot be argued to be of no importance to the development of Scotland), also added the Two Bishops' Wars —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.78.213.172 (talk) 18:57, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

The line "The Scottish National Party wins 50% of the popular vote in the UK General Election, securing 56 out of the 59 seats in Scotland" for the 2015 election seems a little misleading to me. It refers to winning 50% of the votes in the UK Election, which isn't quite right. It won 50% of Scottish votes - the SNP doesn't have candidates in the rest of the UK for obvious reasons. The way it is currently worded suggests that they represent 50% of UK votes as a whole. I think it either needs to be reworded to say something like "The Scottish National Party wins 50% of Scottish votes in the UK General Election, securing 56 out of the 59 seats in Scotland." or "The Scottish National Party wins 4.7% of the popular vote in the UK General Election, securing 56 out of the 59 seats in Scotland."

2A02:C7E:3404:9D00:ED12:C9C9:4C7:B899 (talk) 10:14, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Excessive detail on recent events?

I personally find the reference to the 2006 smoking ban irritatingly trivial when there are so many more important events which do not appear in this rather eclectic list. Rcpaterson 08:39, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

We obviously need to establish criteria for determining which events should be listed. One possibility is that events should only be included if they are sufficiently notable to warrant a dedicated WP article. Nesbit 17:35, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Quite! Rcpaterson 22:44, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

I removed several 20th century events that were either not specifically Scottish or not main events in Scottish history. One reason is to balance the size of the 20th century section with sections representing other centuries. My preference would be to trim it even further. These judgements are, of course, subjective. Feel free to revert me or re-introduce some events if you have good reason to do so. Nesbit 05:07, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

1762 Land tenure reform leads to the Highland Clearances and massive emigration for several decades

It is not clear exactly what land tenure reform happens or starts in this year, and hence how this is related to the clearances. Did the editor who inserted this have a particular piece of legislation in mind? It is also not clear what is meant by "massive emigration" - what is intended is particularly puzzling in the light of the following:

The first "significant emigrations" in response to the first steps of commercialisation by some Highland landlords happened in the 1730s and involved "small parties". (Devine, T M (2018). The Scottish Clearances: A History of the Dispossessed, 1600-1900. London: Allen Lane. ISBN 978-0241304105 - p 45)

The victory in the Seven Years War in 1763 provided some impetus to Highland emigration to North America as settlers were needed for land that had been gained in that war. (Devine 2018. p 157) But winning a war does not equate with land reform, nor is the exact year right. Devine goes on to state (p 157) "Between 1700 and 1815 around 90,000–100,000 Scots left for North America, the majority going between c.1763 and c.1775." - making clear that this is emigration from all of Scotland, with the bulk of it from the Lowlands.

When the potato famine struck, the surplus population of the famine-struck and redundant populations was estimated at 45,000 to 60,000. (Devine, T M (1994). Clanship to Crofters' War: The social transformation of the Scottish Highlands (2013 ed.). Manchester University Press. ISBN 978-0-7190-9076-9. p 184-185) and these were the intended target of the "assisted passage" emigrations, which largely happened within a few years. These numbers could perhaps be called "massive" - but we are not even in the same century as the article item.

Marjory Harper (Harper, Marjory (1998). Emigration from Scotland between the Wars. Manchester University Press. ISBN 978 0 7190 8046 3) states that between 1825 and the start of WW1, "at least 1,841,534 emigrants left Scotland for non-European destinations". She notes that the total population of Scotland in 1911 was 4,760,904, so giving some idea of the massive scale of emigration in this period of just under 90 years. Then in the 1920s, emigration exceeded the number of people born in Scotland.

These last two facts could be labelled "massive emigration" - but put what was happening in the 1760s to 1803 (Passenger Vessels Act of 1803) in the shade.

Without some explanation and a WP:RS, I think the entry in this table should be deleted.
ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 23:05, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

No answers to the above, so deleted the problem text.
ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 23:36, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

is this scottish history?

The English civil wars have a section for each of their start dates and end dates but yet the war of scottish independence doesnt get a mention? surely the first war of independence has more information than just 6 points? Surely the english civil war should be under the english history and not scottish?

Also, i am aware that these wars formed the war of the three kingdoms, but to have left out the battle of falkirk, the capture of wallace etc from the 13th century but then to have a start and end date for the three english civil wars. I mean it doesnt even mention the war of scottish independence starting.