Talk:Timeline of the prelude to the Russian invasion of Ukraine

Requested move 23 April 2023

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The result of the move request was: Move. No opposition. One participant prefers specific dates in the title, but only one, another prefers the alternative "Prelude of ...", but again only one, but, among those weighing in about this specific proposal, there is unanimous consensus to move, so the proposed title is it. (non-admin closure) В²C ☎ 18:49, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

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Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine: Prelude → Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (prelude) – Lowercase "prelude" per article titles policy; use parentheses for consistency with other parts of the timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Alternatively, Timeline of the prelude to the Russian invasion of Ukraine would also work (and match the lead and Prelude to the Russian invasion of Ukraine), but I think the argument for consistency is stronger. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 15:39, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

• Support any of the examples put forward in the opening statement. The current title should be changed. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 17:41, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
• Support with preference for Timeline of the prelude to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. I would argue consistency with the main article (Prelude to the Russian invasion of Ukraine) is more appropriate than consistency with the other timeline articles, but either way the capitalized Prelude needs to go. Yeoutie (talk) 18:09, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
• Isn’t all this material covered in Prelude to the Russian invasion of Ukraine anyway? I’d just redirect this there, honestly. But if we’re not doing that now, I’d support the “Timeline of the prelude…” title for now, because of consistency with the Prelude article. HappyWith (talk) 01:48, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
• Move to a date based system instead such as Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (2021 – 24 February 2022), consistent with the other articles in the series such as Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (24 February – 7 April 2022). Side note: I think the Timeline articles were chopped too thinly when an editor separated them (5 subarticles is too many, 3 would have been fine), and just merging this article with the "next" article would also be acceptable. SnowFire (talk) 02:04, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

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• Post-close comment. @Born2cycle: I'd rather you had just relisted this, although maybe this was also on me for not noticing that the earlier comments were some time ago and the close / relist period was coming up. I don't think your close is a particularly accurate characterization of my comment, which expressed no opinion on the matter. Anyway, @Tol, Tim O'Doherty, and Yeoutie: any comment on my alternate suggestion? Any opposition to a bold move to the alternate option, which hopefully also addresses complaints about the previous title? I'd also be fine with a bold merge into the next Timeline section, given how short this article is, and moving that article from (24 February – 7 April 2022) to (2021 – 7 April 2022). SnowFire (talk) 19:36, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

  If the nom and the supporters in the RM express support for your alternative suggestion, I would agree a bold move to it is in order. Sorry about the mischaracterization. I’ll change it. —В²C ☎ 23:01, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

  I don't think a merge would be in order, given that Russia actually invaded on 24 February, and drawing a line there seems rather appropriate as the situation fundamentally changed at that point. A date-based system would be more consistent with the other articles, but it wasn't an actual "invasion" yet during this time, so it may also be important to not word the title to imply otherwise. Overall, I'm ambivalent as to which title is best. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 12:20, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 4 August 2023

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The result of the move request was: Moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) SilverLocust 💬 14:59, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

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Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (prelude) → Timeline of the prelude to the Russian invasion of Ukraine – More natural. It's better that we use a title without parentheses or colons, and has better consistency with Prelude to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Logically, it makes more sense, since this isn't a subset of the invasion itself, but the prelude to it. This was one of the options proposed in the last RM, and it was actually the most supported option, but weirdly the close didn't reflect that. HappyWith (talk) 13:28, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Support as it sounds sensible and consistent with another related article. Killuminator (talk) 10:25, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Support Parham wiki (talk) 12:46, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

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