Talk:Timor–Alor–Pantar languages

Requested move 14 May 2017

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The result of the move request was: Moved. Nobody has clearly opposed the move. The sources on this language grouping apparently use hyphens. The !vote below which says that we should use hyphens because they are easier to type shouldn't have much influence here. (You should be asking to revise the MOS instead). I have read the MOS rules but don't get a clear reading from them for a case like this. Serbo-Croatian and Franco-German obviously need hyphens, but it is not certain which case this falls under. (I didn't find any three-way-hyphenated or dashed languages). Since the move is permitted by the rules, supported by the sources and it is unopposed I am calling it as Moved. EdJohnston (talk) 00:06, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

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Timor–Alor–Pantar languages → Timor-Alor-Pantar languages – em-dashes rather than hyphens in title are confusing and not in line with current practice in the literature Gholton (talk) 04:40, 14 May 2017‎ (UTC) --Relisting. SkyWarrior 14:46, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

• This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:21, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
• @Gholton: Better get this one discussed. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:21, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

What is the motivation for using em-dashes rather than hyphens in the article title? All existing literature on the subject use hyphens, e.g., Ross 2005, Holton et al. 2012, Robinson & Holton 2012, Holton & Robinson 2014. Gholton (talk) 08:12, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

• @Gholton: See Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Hyphens and Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Dashes etseq. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 11:19, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
• I dislike dashes, preferring hyphens, due to issues with typing them. See Wikipedia:Hyphen luddites. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:12, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

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There was no real vote here, and regardless, it's based on a walled-garden argument. This issue has been discussed at a higher level, and it was agreed we would use en dashes for appropriate families throughout WP, as does much of the literature (though perhaps not for this particular family). — kwami (talk) 20:41, 10 December 2017 (UTC)