Talk:Titanic (1996 miniseries)/Archive 1

Archive 1

Murdoch

I'm considering deleting the line about First Officer Murdoch not committing suicide or at least revising it to state that if he did kill himself that he did not do it in front of Boxhall and Lightoller, who (along with Pitman and Lowe) assured Murdoch's widow that he "died like a man, doing his duty." The only evidence we really have to prove whether he did or did not kill himself is the testimony of survivors. Without a body, it's incredibly difficult to prove much of anything. Any input on this? -- Mourning Electra 10:04 PM GMT, 22 April 2006

I was about to say that part about the body. This late in history I doubt we will ever know what happened to Murdoch.

Oh, and the part about attempts to raise Titanic failing is wrong. They once tried to fill it with tennis balls. It naturally failed as the pressure crushed the line leading to the ship. In reality the line never did touch the ship. —VonV

And when exactly did that attempt happen? and by whom? Sounds awfully laughable.

Really a stub?

I propose that we remove the stub tab at the bottom of the page- the article seems to be much more than a stub to me. Nwwaew 14:33, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Lorraine Allison

The real Lorraine Allison was barely two at the time of the sinking.

Just curious - how old did they make her? PMA 14:35, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I believe they showed her as being about 4 or 5 ish

She looked and acted like a 7 or 8 year old to me.

Added pic

Added pic to movie info.--BobtheVila (talk) 17:19, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Ship's orchestra

I would like to make a note of the fact that the ships orchestra, as noted in several books on the subject, was composed of only one cellist, not the two that were shown in the movie,and that the splitting of the ship was not even noted, besides a slow-motion montage of screaming individuals during the sinking. 65.54.154.147 (talk) 02:20, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

"Critical reviews"

"The film garnered mostly negative and positive reviews from critics": is there a third way? Bob talk 17:59, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Historical inaccuracies

Captain Smith did indeed intend to retire after arrival in New York City. He would though go home with the ship as a passenger.

When mr. Dickie explained how he saw Mary Pickford in a kinetoscope. But unlike the author's idea, most people who lived on the countryside in Europe would not have any idea of the nickolodeon - not in Denmark, neither in England. Though it is not acctually told, it is very likely that Aase, as well as most other Danes at that time, would live in Denmark. Most Danish emigrants at that time was from the countryside anyway, because the living standard in the cities had remarkably improved in Denmark at that time.

Andreas Lønstrup —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.44.135.21 (talk) 17:27, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
Moved to here
Several "inaccuracies" have been moved to this talk page for one or more of the following reasons:

1. Here is not the place to document every minor detail (try IMDb trivia for that).
2. This is a dramatization and not a documentary nor even billed as an actual docudrama, some dramatic license is granted.
3. Relevance or notability has not been established.
4. Vague, ambiguous, or just plain wrong.
5. Unverified, or unverifiable.
6. Opinion or POV.

• There was no gate between the steerage to first class on A deck, and the entrance out of steerage around that area led to B deck.

Per ~ (4) -- As one might expect, the stairway down from A-Deck does indeed lead to B-Deck. However, one simply has to walk ~10m on B-Deck to access stairway down to 3rd Class. And the comprehensive floor plan does show a partition at landing on A-Deck with a symbol that doesn't distinguish between "gate" or "door", but is probably a door, since there is specified: TEAK FRAMED WINDOW 30" x 37" (adjacent to, but not in door/gate). ~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 05:34, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

• ...She actually boarded the Titanic at Cherbourg, not Southampton. She was not known as "Molly" until after her death, and in contrast to her portrayal as a raving, oversexed hillbilly, she was in fact an intelligent, well-mannered, social and political activist. She was also much older and less attractive than actress Marilu Henner. Furthermore, she is seen drinking and gambling in the smoking room; in realty, the smoking room was a male-only domain on ocean-liners until the late 1920s and therefore women, such as Brown, would have been forbidden to be there.

Per ~ (1,2,3,4,5,6) -- However, her friends did refer to her as "Maggie". -- More information than is needed. (Summarized in article).

• • However "Maggie" is not "Molly," so the point still stands.
• Margaret Brown and several other passengers did not go to dinner after boarding the ship as seen in the film. They boarded the ship while dinner was being served, and did not have time to eat.

Per ~ (1,2)

• The first-class smoking room did not have a bar. The stewards served drinks and other beverages in a classic waiting fashion.

Per ~ (1,2,4) -- The deck plan for 'A-DECK' does indeed show 'SMOKE RM BAR' adjacent to 1st Class smoke room. (per: Comprehensive floor plans) ~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 03:27, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

• • That bar was not passenger accessible, it was rather an alcohol storage pantry for the waiting staff to use. There was no "bar" in the classic sense like the film shows.
• Captain Smith is seen complaining that the distress rockets should be red, not white. In fact, white is the correct color and Smith would have known this.

Per ~ (4,5) -- The facts are debatable to this day. (See item 3: from U.S. Senate Inquiry, Report; INTERNATIONAL SIGNALS OF DISTRESS AT SEA / AT NIGHT.) ~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 02:39, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

• When instructing the wireless operators to send a distress call to other ships, Smith erroneously describes the CQD call as "Come Quickly, Distress". Neither CQD nor SOS stand for anything.

Per ~ (4) -- It is entirely plausible to use the contemporaneous backronym or mnemonic, and CQD did "stand for" : "sécu" + "distress".

• ...There are problems with them throughout the whole film. In additions to Alice Cleaver, the Allisons had their maid Sarah Daniels traveling with them, who was whisked into a lifeboat when she went on deck to investigate the commotion after the collision. Additionally, Alice Cleaver did not sleep with the Allison children, or only slept with Trevor in their stateroom. The film shows her in the same cabin as Loraine. Cleaver and Trevor Allison boarded lifeboat number 11, quite late into the sinking, not lifeboat 7, the first one launched. The Allisons were also Canadians, not Americans as portrayed in the film.

Per ~ (1,5) -- More information than is needed. (Summarized in article).

• ...(which some characters perform) originated in the bordellos of Argentina and would have been beneath the notice of the upper classes of 1912, who would have considered dancing during dinner to be inappropriate.

Per ~ (1,2,4) -- Clarified and summarized in article.

• When Wynn and Isabella make love, moonlight is coming in through a window, instead of a porthole, as would have been the case.

Per ~ (1,2,3)

• ...did not participate in the final outfitting of the ship and was not in the boiler room (a location forbidden to passengers) at any time during the voyage. , Ismay's He did not force the ship's crew to run the liner at breakneck speed. It was in fact a regular practice for ships to cross the Atlantic at high speed. He testified at the Senate hearings on the sinking that had the ship been traveling at its maximum speed, it would have arrived in New York in the middle of the night and would have had to wait up to eight hours for a pilot and customs clearance.

Per ~ (1,2,4) -- Clarified and summarized in article; but additional clarification might be in order.

• ...is seen using a rolled-out blueprint to explain the nature of the ship's damage, and how long she will remain afloat, to Bruce Ismay and the senior officers. According to eyewitness testimony from survivors, it was Titanic designer Thomas Andrews who did this. Indeed, Andrews, who played a key role in the events of that fateful night, is omitted from the movie.

Per ~ (1,2,4) -- Summarized in article. ~EF 184.76.225.106 (talk) 20:50, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

• A sign on the wall of the wireless room names the ship as "S.S. Titanic" whereas she was called "R.M.S. Titanic" RMS standing for Royal Mail Steamer.

Per ~ (4) -- "R. M. S." (Royal Mail Ship) was/is actually a courtesy title for the ship itself. Many on-board items (including lifeboats and life-preservers) were labeled with "S. S.".

• Mrs. Miller refers to John Jacob Astor as the richest man in the world, which was not the case.

Per ~ (2,5) -- It is a common screenplay technique for a character to believe or say something that is inaccurate. And (believe it or not) even today there are actually a few people who believe that Bill Gates is the richest man today; but, of course as everybody knows, the richest man is actually Carlos Slim Helu (excluding royalty). ~E 184.76.225.106 (talk) 02:55, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

• The distress rockets are shown burning as simple white balls. As depicted later in Titanic (1997), they actually burst into stars.

Per ~ (2,4) -- The rockets as discovered in the wreckage, were recently reproduced from the original patent using the same materials and techniques as the originals. The result was a rocket burning as a "simple white ball". (Note: Titanic 1997 is also a dramatization).

• ...no Titanic officers had binoculars

Per ~ (3,4,5) -- It would not be uncommon for an officer to own their own binoculars which would be among their personal effects. This photo is captioned (Denver Post)" In this Thursday, Jan. 5, 2012 file photo, binoculars found among the debris of the Titanic wreck ..." ~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 23:33, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Read more: Titanic's legacy: A fascination with disasters - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/recommended/ci_20298345#ixzz1sFTYH3ZS Read The Denver Post's Terms of Use of its content: http://www.denverpost.com/termsofuse

~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 23:10, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 19:43, 14 April 2012 (UTC) -- Although I am "doing" this, other editors are welcome to join (please). ~E 184.76.225.106 (talk) 21:07, 14 April 2012 (UTC)--> Moot/obsolete ~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 21:49, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

The following entries have been moved here, pending due consideration. -- Some should probably be returned.--> Moot/obsolete ~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 21:49, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

• While there are various reports of an officer committing suicide late in the sinking, it is not known whether First Officer William Murdoch was the officer in question, if indeed it happened at all.
• The term "see-through" was not used for fabrics until about 1950.
• Fifth Officer Lowe was Welsh not English as portrayed in the movie.
• Although it has been pointed out that the First Class dining room was actually located on D Deck, not on A Deck right below the Grand Staircase as depicted in the film, it is later shown that Jamie Perse and Simon Doonan are looking at it through the boat deck windows.
• When Alice says "We're all going to die!" it is 11:45 p.m. and there is light coming through the windows. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.76.225.106 (talk) 22:43, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
• *By 1912, "moving pictures" were well established, so it is unlikely that some characters would be shocked at the concept. Furthermore, it is implausible that Jamie Perse would know of Mary Pickford, who did not become a major movie star until 1917. ~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 02:12, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Deleting "historical inaccuracies" as WP:OR

I have deleted all the "inaccuracies" as they are all original research. I'm sure many are true, but proving that is synthesis ("Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources ") unless you can quote a reviewer who made exactly that point. Besides, it's fiction for God's sake. Don't waste your time analysing its "accuracy", that has no place in an encylopedia. Barsoomian (talk) 05:06, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! -- many were obvious copy & paste from IMDb etc. anyway. I was just not WP:BOLD enough to WP:DIY. ;) ~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 21:55, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

An IP editor deleting a lot of text would be almost certainly reverted as vandalism anyway. If you want respect, you should get a named account. Barsoomian (talk) 01:19, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Questionable scene

Why does Simon Doonan rape Jamie Perse's girlfriend Aase Ludvigsen? Rape is non-consensual sex and sex is generally associated with love, not with hate. If Doonan hates Aase, why does he have sex with her? Why doesn't he just slap, punch or kick her?86.144.108.22 (talk) 17:13, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

You cannot stop with your moral obsession on rape. All your "rape" entries on various Talk pages have been deleted - yet again. You have been warned multiple times by several editors and unless you stop the IP's you are editing from will be blocked. David J Johnson (talk)