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i have reason to believe that the caption in the article for the second picture at right currently references the wrong song.[a]
the first picture at right is used in the article on "dear future husband", where its caption mentions that the image shows trainor performing that song.[b] both pictures appear to have been taken from the same flickr photostream. assuming that they were taken by the same camera, the metadata has not been tampered with,[c] and the camera's clock was not reset during the performance, the first picture appears to have been taken about two minutes after the second, as the first has a timestamp of 21:04:54 and the second 21:02:27.
incidentally, there happens to be a clock atop the stage left speakers that is visible in this video of trainor performing "dear future husband" in philadelphia during the jingle ball 2014 tour, the same performance described in the description of both pictures (here and here). around 2:46 into this video, the clock clearly reads "9:04". this video, showing trainor's performance of "close your eyes" in the same concert, appears to show the same clock reading "9:06" about 0:44 into the video, suggesting that "close your eyes" was the song performed after "dear future husband", and therefore would not have been the song trainor was performing in the second picture.[d]
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furthermore, the first picture appears to have been taken about 2:17 into the "dear future husband" video,[e] which leads me to believe that, according to the timestamps of the two photos, it appears that the second photo was taken about 10 seconds before recording for this video commenced. since the video begins with trainor singing the lyrics "break, and don't forget the flowers every anniversary", the video clearly starts after the song's performance had already started. i was unable to find another video for this specific performance, but did find one video of a similar performance in chicago about a week later with roughly the same stage setup. in this video, trainor sings the lyrics "break, and don't forget the flowers every anniversary" around 0:15 into the video, and 10 seconds before, at 0:05 into the video, she is singing the lyrics "all my life" from the beginning of the song, and has a pose similar to that in the second picture. i think this means that she would have almost certainly been singing the start of "dear future husband" when the second picture was taken.
i recognize that my reasoning above is considered original research, but since the source on flickr does not mention the song she was singing when the second photo was taken, it seems that any editor asserting that she was singing any specific song would also have conducted original research. i looked up the edit in which the second photo was added to the article, and no additional explanation had been given in the edit summary.
i had previously brought this issue up with fac nominator MaranoFan, here, and MaranoFan had referred me to this discussion, where the editor Lips Are Movin (the same that added the image to this article) mentions adding songs to the descriptions of pictures of trainor based on the backgrounds found in the pictures. both these pictures, however, do not have backgrounds that would easily identify them with one of trainor's songs, so i do not understand how Lips Are Movin concluded that the second image was of trainor singing "close your eyes".
to be clear, i think the second picture is of trainor singing "dear future husband", but do not think this has to be mentioned in the caption if others do not find my reasoning convincing. my only concern is that the caption currently appears to be mentioning the wrong song, so i think that part of the caption should be removed.
courtesy pinging fac nominator MaranoFan. (Lips Are Movin does not appear to have edited since 2017.) dying (talk) 13:05, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
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- ^ a similar caption appears in the portuguese version of the article.
- ^ this seems to be confirmed by video evidence, as further explained here.
- ^ the metadata lists the same author and camera model for both.
- ^ the same youtube channel also has videos of two other songs that trainor performed that night, and the video for "lips are movin" shows the clock reading "9:09" right at the start, while the video for "all about that bass" has the clock reading "9:14" at around 1:13 into the video. these videos appear to conform with this set list, so i would assume that the first song trainor performed that night was "dear future husband".
- ^ further details on this conclusion can be found here.
58 countries
editthere is a discussion on the talk page of the article on the song "all about that bass" which addresses the assertion, also mentioned in this article, that "all about that bass" reached number one in 58 countries. dying (talk) 13:22, 1 July 2023 (UTC)