Talk:Titus Manlius Torquatus (consul 165 BC)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Iazyges (talk · contribs) 15:19, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Criteria

GA Criteria
GA Criteria: 1 1.a Y 1.b Y 2 2.a Y 2.b Y 2.c Y 2.d Y (15.3%, mostly due to book titles and one incidental phrase.) 3 3.a Y 3.b Y 4 4.a Y 5 5.a Y 6 6.a Y 6.b Y

• No DAB links Y
• No dead links Y
• No missing citations Y

Discussion

• @T8612: That is all my suggestions, passing now. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 15:19, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
  • @Iazyges:Many thanks, I've corrected as you suggested. Do you think it's enough for a FA? T8612 (talk) 01:27, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
    • @T8612: Probably not nearly, if only because it is very hard to pass FA standards of "full coverage" for far-gone history. It's a good article, but FA standards basically require everything they've ever done in their lives to be known to pass FA. If you'd like an example, I've nominated both Iazyges and Marcian and both have failed. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 17:37, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
      • @Iazyges:I'm pretty sure I've been comprehensive. There aren't a lot of sources on him, so I think I've listed them all. I'll nominate it and I'll see how it goes. T8612 (talk) 21:12, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
        • @T8612: It's as comprehensive as it can be, but for ancient stuff that's usually not nearly enough. Feel free to list it, but I'm high doubtful it'll pass. -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 21:47, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Prose Suggestions

Please note that all of these are suggestions, and can be implemented or ignored at your discretion. I have made minor stylistic edits, feel free to revert any of them.

Lede

• Titus Manlius Torquatus (born before 208[1] I'd suggest mentioning his date of birth to the "family background" area, and citing it there, as usually it's best not to cite sources in the lede unless absolutely necessary.
• Would suggest expanding lede, possibly with his diplomatic work with Ptolemy VIII Physcon.

Family Background

• It already counted 18 consulships, and 14 consular tribuneships before him.[3] suggest Members of the family had held the consulship 18 times and consular tribuneship 14 times before him.
• alongside the great Claudius Marcellus during the Second Punic War while still in his early career would suggest either changing to early age, or clarifying that he had not achieved much yet.

Career

• but Münzer guessed that he was praetor in 170 suggest introducing who Münzer is, as the casual reader probably doesn't know. Perhaps but the prosopographical scholar Münzer suggested that he was praetor in 170
• Titus was promoted to the first place, probably because his great-great-grandson was a member of the College of Pontiffs, which was notably tasked with establishing the Fasti. suggest Titus is recorded as being promoted to the first place, probably because his great-great-grandson was a member of the College of Pontiffs, which was tasked with establishing the Fasti.
• At the same time, Augustus was also suggest mentioning that Augustus was emperor, and changing at the same time to Around this time
• although Obsequens says that they had to face a plague epidemic at Rome. suggest changing face to handle
• At Rhodes, suggest In Rhodes,
• In 161, Titus drafted the senatus consultum suggest explaining what this is, as casual reader probably doesn't know perhaps In 161, Titus drafted the senatus consultum, nominally a letter of advice from the Roman Senate, but in Republican practice closer to a demand,
• the Torquati suffered from a long eclipse, suggest from a period of obscurity