Talk:To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything! Julie Newmar/GA1

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

---

Article (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch

Nominator: Spectrallights (talk · contribs) 07:31, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Sammi Brie (talk · contribs) 18:54, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
· · ·

Creditable start for your first GA nomination. You have several kinds of issues: some copy changes, a threadbare Release section that needs beefing up, and some overlong quotes (and a citation needing additional support). Ping me when done or if you need help. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 01:13, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Did you know? If you fancy doing so, I always have plenty of GA nominees to review. Just look for the all-uppercase titles in the Television section. Reviews always appreciated.

Copy changes

Plot

• To do this, they cash in their plane tickets to a friend, John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt, (which in reality is the title of a song), and use Remove the comma after "Schmidt". The appositive runs from "John" to "song".
• who hurls racial slurs, then forces Vida Remove comma
• Vida strikes him and he is knocked unconscious. He is presumed dead and the queens drive off. At a rest stop, they recover from the incident but their car breaks down. Commas needed after "him", "dead", and "incident". See WP:CINS.
• Vida becomes acutely aware of Carol Ann's abuse at the hands of Virgil, and one night decides to intervene and beats Virgil up before throwing him out of the house. Change comma placement because there is only one subject, Vida. Vida becomes acutely aware of Carol Ann's abuse at the hands of Virgil and, one night, decides to intervene, beating Virgil up before throwing him out of the house.

Production

• Writer Douglas Carter Beane originally envisioned the script as a stage play, but changed his mind Remove comma after "play" (CINS)
• Kohn passed the script along to his boss Steven Spielberg, who "loved it." For a quote of a sentence fragment (or anything less than a full sentence), remember MOS:LOGICAL: quote outside period. should be Kohn passed the script along to his boss Steven Spielberg, who "loved it". You have several of these.
• (whom the role of Chi-Chi Rodriguez was specifically written for) maybe (for whom the role of Chi-Chi Rodriguez was specifically written)
• The three lead actors spent time in the local drag scene while researching their roles, and were each given a drag mentor to work with in developing their characters Remove comma (CINS)
• described as "a tough shoot," Also needs the MOS:LOGICAL treatment.

Release

• This section is in need of expansion. Moving the box office numbers here (and retitling the next section to "Critical reception") will help a little bit, but did this debut anywhere before theatrical release? Was there anything about promotion? As it stands, this is the barest section and your weakest link.
• Too many section headers.

Reception

• Emanuel Levy of Variety gave a mixed review, but wrote, No need for the first comma
• Some quotes are too long. Consider partial rephrasing.

Legacy

• The fantasy element can also be seen as "[perpetuating] an idea that transgender identity is nothing but make-believe." Candis Cayne needs to be attributed here. This should be organized so that I don't think the director said it!

Other media: Musical

• Consolidate into one L2 header, "Musical".
• Beane stated that he had originally written To Wong Foo for the stage, and had retained stage rights when the screenplay was produced. Remove comma (CinS)

Sourcing and spot checks

• 5: Quote from Busch 1995 is accurately reproduced. Y
• 7: 2015 Yahoo Entertainment article: Kidron jumped at the opportunity to make a movie in America — particularly since she saw To Wong Foo as a uniquely American story. Y
• 14: The 1995 cult classic "To Wong Foo Thanks for Everything, Julie Newmar" starred Wesley Snipes and Patrick Swayze in a tale of drag queens on a cross-country trip, and their beat-up Cadillac eventually landed on Upper Mountain Avenue. Partial confirm: is there a source connecting Montclair to the Bala Cynwyd scenes? Y
• 17: AGF on offline source. Going to
  • 18: AllMusic has 8/29/95 soundtrack release date. Y
• 23: Looks good. Did you know that Cite news has a parameter for |agency= for AP stories like this one? Y
• 40: Looks good. Consider paring down the quote and saying more in our own words; that's a long quote. Y

Earwig runs hot because of the length of the title. It kind of justifies my feeling that some of the quotes are too long.

Images

The film poster has an NFUR and even alt text. Great stuff. Would there be any appropriate images of the actors or the drag people who made cameo appearances?

@Sammi Brie: Greatly appreciate your review. I’ve since corrected punctuation errors and shortened some quotes.

For the sourcing of Montclair being used as a location for the Bala Cynwyd scenes, the article does not mention Bala Cynwyd, but says "their beat-up Cadillac eventually landed on Upper Mountain Avenue." Montclair and Upper Mountain Avenue (particularly Edgemont Memorial Park) is visible in the scenes where Vida is introducing Noxeema and Chi-Chi to Bala Cynwyd.

For images, I was thinking of possibly using images of the three lead actors as part of a multiple image template. I am also looking up info on promotion to beef up the Release section. Spectrallights (talk) 20:00, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Looking a lot better. I still need a source outright saying the claim on Bala Cynwyd, @Spectrallights. If you can't find it, you can just mention that a scene was filmed in Montclair. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 23:28, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Done. Spectrallights (talk) 23:51, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Alright, one last thing you need to do, Spectrallights, is reduce your reliance on quotes in the Reception and Legacy sections. The quotes are still generally too long and too frequent. Try and keep a few and say the rest in wikivoice. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 16:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Ok, will be working on those. What are your thoughts on new updates from other editors? This one in particular duplicated a citation I already had. I didn’t elaborate on the original citation because Swayze and Leguizamo clashing on set isn’t exactly new information; the behind-the-scenes referenced articles already touched on that. Spectrallights (talk) 21:00, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Sorry about the delay. The consolidated reference was easy enough to fix. I'd like to ask The Film Creator about some of the other changes as well. Is it normal to have home media releases after box office? That looks wrong. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 23:48, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

@Sammi Brie Um… I don’t think understand your question. Plus, I don’t know how to answer that. The Film Creator (talk) 02:29, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

@Sammi Brie Oh! I understand what you’re saying. Yes, home media release sections should be below box office sections. The Film Creator (talk) 02:35, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Reordered some sections to fix issues. Passing. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 19:01, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.