Talk:Tocharians

The general date/period at which Tocharian ceases to be spoken/Tocharians assimilate to a degree sufficient to be considered ethnically part of their suzerains is unclear.

Maybe a bit more clarity here would help, specifically around the Tang dynasty section? Tuvalu Pareto (talk) 02:21, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Genetics

Somebody suggested that "... A leading contender is the Afanasievo culture, ..." as origin of the Tocharians. To my humble knowledge this is impossible because the Afanasevo is R1b, while Xiaohe, for example is overwhelmingly R1a (Data from Quiles allancientdna). I wonder who has any genetic different evidence.HJJHolm (talk) 07:13, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Only if one assumes that the Xiaohe people were Tocharian speakers. However, the Tocharians were of a different place and time. Kanguole 07:40, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Centum/Satem map

This map is misleading. Since decennia, the centum /Satem is a feature, however not a genealogical measure for the subdivision of Indo-Europeans, but late phonological developments. See any modern textbook.2A02:8108:9640:1A68:C090:491D:7BBC:BCD7 (talk) 05:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Question

Where did these supposedly Tocharian samples come from? I'm just curious.

I thought that we only had DNA samples from the Tarim Mummies, who were thought to be their potential ancestors at some point, and maybe they still are thought to be so.

I asked this because I simply can't wrap my head around the depictions of them with either blond hair or red hair, while they also happen to be heavily East Eurasian on a level similar to some Turkic groups in the data seen in the article. 81.109.56.193 (talk) 23:52, 13 October 2024 (UTC)