Talk:Tom Reece

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:30, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

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• ... that whilst making his record break of 499,135, English billiards player Tom Reece was in play for 85 hours and 49 minutes without his opponent taking a turn? Source: "Ballistics, 1907" Kenneth Gregory, The Guardian, 3 June 1967, p.5. (Available at newspapers.com )
  • ALT1:... that English billiards player Tom Reece accompanied Annette Kellermann on a section of her unsuccessful attempt to swim across the English channel in 1905? Source: "The Channel Swim: A quadruple failure – Miss Kellerman prostrated" Sheffield Evening Telegraph, 25 August 1905, p.3. (Available via British Newspaper Archive for subscribers)

• Reviewed: Jürgen Holtz

5x expanded by BennyOnTheLoose (talk). Self-nominated at 20:04, 27 July 2020 (UTC).

• Hi BennyOnTheLoose, review follows; article 5x expanded on 27 July; article is well written and cited inline to reliable sources throughout; most sources are offline or subscription only but happy to AGF tehre is no overly close paraphrasing from these, a spot check on the online sources didn't flag anything up; hooks are interesting, mentioned in the article and cited (AGF on citations), my preference is for ALT0; I would suggest mentioning in the article that Chapman didn't get to play any shots during the 85 hours, for those not familiar with the term "break"; a QPQ has been carried out. Good work on an interesting biography - Dumelow (talk) 09:25, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

• Thanks, Dumelow. I've added a few words into the article based on your suggestion. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 09:47, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

• I always thought this put into perspective my highest billiards break of 10... Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:04, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Tom Reece/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: MWright96 (talk · contribs) 19:47, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Am reviewing this for the GAN October 2020 Backlog Drive. MWright96 (talk) 19:47, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Infobox

• Add where Oldham is in England for those who do not know
• 6-times should be "Six-times"
• Don't think runner-up needs to begin with a capital letter when it is not the first word in a sentence

• Done. Although Oldham is now in Greater Manchester, it looks like it was in Lancashire in 1873. I've wiki-linked Oldham and Lancing as these are perhaps not well-known places internationally. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:49, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Lead

• "and three times to Tom Newman in finals in 1921, 1924 and 1925." - in the 1921, 1924 and 1925 finals.
• "His highest officially-recognised break was 901." - add the year in which this break was compiled

• Both done. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:54, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Early life

• "Reece was born in Oldham on 12 August 1873}" - the closed curly bracket should be replaced by a comma
• "and worked in a cotton mill. He used to visit a gymnasium to train for swimming and at the age of 16 started playing billiards on the gymnasium's table." - think all this text needs to be cited to a reliable source

• Both done. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:08, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Early billiards career and record break

• "In a cradle cannon sequence, the two object balls are played into a position" - the "s" in "object ball" should also be part of the wikilink

• Done. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:16, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

• "Chapman didn't get to play any shots during this time." - the word in bold should be written as did not to avoid violating MOS:CONTRACTION

• Done. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:16, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

• "the responsibility to determine whether a player was in breach was passed to match referees." - breach of what exactly?

• Amended. In the absence of an agreed written description, the responsibility was thrown over to referees to judge whether a player was playing cradle cannons in breach of the rules - seems highly unsatisfactory. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:16, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

• "The world record break under the current rules, as of July 2020," - think the text in bold can be deleted since it might become a dated statement

• Done. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:16, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

• "who has been declared the Control Club champion in February 1909." - had

• Done. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:16, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Later professional career

• "He recounted that here had been a tradition that the company that manufactured the billiard table that a record break was made on would pay £100 to the player making the break." = on which a record break was complied on

• Done. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:46, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

• "Following the spread of the cradle cannon following Lovejoy's employment of the method in 1907," - don't think "spread" is the right word to use here

• Amended - let me know if you have a better wording. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:46, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

• "the record was frequently increasing, which meant more expense for the table manufacturers." - for table manufacturers.

• Done. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:46, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

• "he was careful about not using too much chalk," - overusing

• Done. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:46, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

• "He played one professional snooker match, at the 1946 World Snooker Championship, retiring from the match when 2–8 behind to Kingsley Kennerley." - repetition of "match"

• Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:46, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

• "Reese claimed in the latter book to have sometimes played billiards with Guglielmo Marconi, before 'Marconi became well known." - repetition of "Marconi"

• Amended - let me know if you have a better wording. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:46, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

• "Reece married Laura Lydia Williams on the morning of 6 June 1908," - who was subject highlighted in bold?

• Williams is mentioned in 14 sources from June 1908 available in the British Newspaper Archive about the wedding, but is only described as either "the daughter of a retired Army officer" or "a gifted young London lady". BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:46, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Professional Championship Finals

• Think you will need to reformat the final eight citations to read as not as for consistency

• Done. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:22, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Billiards Association and Control Club Championship finals

• "After the 1919 Championship," - change the text in bold to event to avoid the repetition later on

• Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:57, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

References

• Reference 5 is dead and needs archiving

• RolledOut34 had kindly updated the url. I've added an archive. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:51, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Shall put the review on hold to allow the nominator to address or query the points raised above. MWright96 (talk) 11:03, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

• Thanks for taking on this review, and for your helpful comments, MWright96. Let me know about any further work required on the article. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:00, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
  • @BennyOnTheLoose: Now promoting to GA class. MWright96 (talk) 08:33, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Category change explanation

I have moved this article from Category:British players of English billiards to Category:English players of English billiards. The former is a container category and so should not include individual articles, but only other categories. The latter is one of the categories in it and as Tom Reece was born and died in England it seems the best fit. Dunarc (talk) 15:38, 20 April 2021 (UTC)