Talk:Tornadoes of 2009

Tornado near Moscow (Russia), 3 june 2009

Seen the links (in russian)

-> http://meteoweb.ru/2009/photo20090603.php?pic=P6020047.jpg -> http://ni4egonet.livejournal.com/45763.html; -> http://t1000-fp.livejournal.com/12105.html; -> http://qvintus.livejournal.com/27736.html; -> http://mutterdu.livejournal.com/12810.html. -> http://bukvalno.livejournal.com/30206.html -> (video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hepo-rtoQc -> (video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfH7C0c2_Mg -> http://sholademi.livejournal.com/1108528.html -> http://users.livejournal.com/_quasar/132524.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.41.45.42 (talk) 13:38, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

European Tornadoes

There have been a few European tornadoes this year but there is no archive link for the ESSL to properly reference them, an ideas on how to get around this issue? Cyclonebiskit 21:38, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Is the European Severe Weather Database what you're looking for?-RunningOnBrains 20:00, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

That's where I got the info from, but I can't directly reference it as the information on that page changes. Cyclonebiskit 21:17, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

I've always just put a generic link to the database...I'm not sure about the official Wikipedia policy on databases as sources, but it's verifiable as long as someone just performs a date search.-RunningOnBrains 21:22, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

February 10-11

The death toll was upgraded yet again to 15 in Lone Grove, so I have created an inevitably necessary sub-page: February 2009 tornado outbreak. And now I'm going to bed :-D -RunningOnBrains 08:54, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes so am I, I'll work on it tommorrow. I can't believe though how bad that tornado in long grove was. Most certainly looks like ef4. Showtime2009 (talk) 10:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Since the overall tornado count was low (it would be nowhere near warranting an article if it weren't for that one tornado), it might be better to only create the 2009 Lone Grove, Oklahoma tornado article and have the rest be spawn from this page. CrazyC83 (talk) 15:18, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree, the others tornadoes don't seem to be that notable either. Moving the page would probably be the best option (in my opinion). Cyclonebiskit 15:53, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Once the subsection for Lone Grove is expanded, the page will be moved and the other information deleted. The tornado chart will remain at the tornado list page. That is unless today is bad (not expected). CrazyC83 (talk) 15:55, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. WxGopher (talk) 15:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

I also agree. However, we may run into a snag with the storm system in general being notable: A woman was killed in WV by downburst winds, and the high winds in the wake of the storm killed two people in NYC metro so far. If casualties/damage reports get any worse, we may have to consider a different name to include the storm system in general.-RunningOnBrains 16:34, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Tricky situation for sure. Definitely include those in a non-tornadic events segment. CrazyC83 (talk) 00:16, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

<rant>Man, Wikipedia gets crucified for reporting someone's death incorrectly for 5 minutes, and ABC news, 12 hours later, is still reporting an incorrect death toll for Lone Grove. Shows how bad the double standard is...</rant>-RunningOnBrains 01:42, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Why March 7?

I do not understand why it is so significant to write about five EF0 tornadoes that occurred in rural areas and caused little to no damage. Showtime2009 (talk) 22:32, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

March 27+ event

I know it is still early (we still have to see what tonight's activity does and if tomorrow sees destabilization), but should a tornado outbreak develop tomorrow, how to treat it here is nasty. The biggest problem is that the winter side could very well warrant an article itself. If BOTH sides are article-worthy (a rare event indeed), how should it be treated on Wikipedia? CrazyC83 (talk) 23:34, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Have two separate articles, one centered around the tornado event with mention of the winter side and visa-versa. Cyclonebiskit 00:27, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

That might be the answer in that case, but that has little in the way of precedence. If only one warrants an article, it leads and the other side is given secondary mention. CrazyC83 (talk) 03:06, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

North American blizzard of 2008 is a great example of this type of event. Cyclonebiskit 11:12, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

March 25–29 tornado outbreak sequence

Just as a heads up, I'm currently working on an article for this event in a sandbox located here. Feel free to help out with the article. Cyclonebiskit 23:00, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Would it be considered a sequence though? From my view, it was a single, slow-moving system that did all the work. CrazyC83 (talk) 00:14, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

I wasn't sure myself, I just called it a sequence to be safe. If it is a single storm, I'll just name the article the Late March 2009 tornado outbreak. Cyclonebiskit 00:16, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

March 31 India tornado

I've added the section but the death toll of 20 sounds preliminary right now so it could be much higher. JForget 17:30, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Good job; if enough information is found, that warrants an article for sure. CrazyC83 (talk) 22:29, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

February 14 Turkey tornado

I just saw on the ESWD that there was a possible F2 or F3 tornado which killed four people in Nizip, Gaziantep Province. I'll see what I can find on google for more info on this. Cyclonebiskit 17:26, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

April 9-10

I haven't seen any articles started yet, so I will start up a draft page, considering today could be as bad as yesterday. It will likely be article worthy later as it will likely hit at least 25 tornadoes with at least a fatal tornado. See: User:JForget/2009 April tornado outbreak (will be up within the hour). --JForget 14:23, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

If today is anything like yesterday (which is forecasted), then an article will be needed. A reference to Easter weekend in the name might be a good idea. CrazyC83 (talk) 15:25, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. In fact, there are already some nice supercells developing in the morning. Today probably will be the worst day of the year so far. Showtime2009 (talk) 15:33, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

In fact, this might be our first outbreak sequence article. There are already 30% risks for days 2, 3 and 4 with another wave for the same areas or just a bit further south. --JForget 15:41, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Yep, lasting until Monday (Tuesday?), and tomorrow may be a split-event (system #1 on the SE coast, system #2 in west Texas). Don't call it a sequence though until system #2 starts producing tornadoes. CrazyC83 (talk) 15:47, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I say we give it a couple hours to see additional development, but if trends continue, publish at 2009 Easter weekend tornado outbreak by 20Z. CrazyC83 (talk) 18:03, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I've added the cats, infobox and other necessary stuff so it should be ready to go soon. A high risk also is in effect, for those not aware. --JForget 19:37, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

If it's not a problem, could I write a section on the Murfeesboro tornado? My cousins were in the path (I think) of that tornado and as of right now I don't know if they're ok but writing on this tornado is going to be really interesting for me. Thanks, Cyclonebiskit 20:06, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely, feel free to break it down into a separate section. CrazyC83 (talk) 20:09, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

OK just to alert anyone, it will be moved to mainspace to April 2009 tornado outbreak, feel free to change to title. I'm not ready to put Easter on the title just yet until there is severe weather again this weekend. I don't think 2009 Good Friday (since it's a holiday today) tornado outbreak would make sense though. --JForget 20:21, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Good Friday makes no sense since much happened yesterday as well. Single-day holiday names don't work well for multi-day outbreaks. CrazyC83 (talk) 20:30, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

NWS Nashville (at least) is calling it the Good Friday outbreak (and I created a redirect using the name 2009 Good Friday tornado outbreak as a result), but that is not appropriate for the article name due to Thursday's activity (too much happened then to give Friday the main name). CrazyC83 (talk) 16:32, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

April 13-14

Just wondering if these were missed or not proven http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/090413_rpts.html http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/090414_rpts.html

Graafsan (talk) 13:09, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Not much info out there...most reports I could find were due to straight-line wind damage...only one confirmed tornado [1] More info will be available in a few months when the NCDC archives are updated.-RunningOnBrains 18:06, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

April 26

HIGH RISK now issued. If that verifies, we'd need to make some article name changes. This event would go to Late-April 2009 tornado outbreak (unless a major city/area gets hit hard that a placename is appropriate). But that really complicates where to move the April 9-10 outbreak article. It would be easy if it weren't for the activity on the night of April 9 (making Good Friday - used by other sites - not the most appropriate name). CrazyC83 (talk) 16:38, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Luckily, it appears headed for a bust. CrazyC83 (talk) 02:10, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

April 19 Lawrence/Morgan county

Sounds like it was actually 4 separate tornado touchdowns in that area, looking at the distance between each touchdown, there is enough distance between them that it should be marked as 4 different tornadoes. According to NWS Huntsville, the map also proves that. So I will add the three other tornadoes in the other article. Also there is no more mention of the fatality, but it would probably be in one of the two Morgan EF0, probably the first EF0 fatality in quite a while. JForget 17:30, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

From what I can see, it seems the fatality was due to the larger area of straight-line wind damage and not the tornadoes. But it does seem there were 4 tornadoes. It is quite unclear what causes the fatality there though. CrazyC83 (talk) 22:46, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

May 3

I know it's not necessarily a significant tornado event, but the derecho event from Dallas to currently Montgomery/Birmingham (to perhaps Atlanta?) might be article worthy. Lots of major wind damage in Louisiana this morning including according to NWS Shreveport that the town of Dodson, Louisiana was completely destroyed. [2] JForget 19:39, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

It might warrant an article, depending on the impact in the broad scope of things. It is STILL out there, now over Atlanta. It may survive all the way to Columbia and Charlotte later tonight. Recommended name: May 2009 Deep South derecho CrazyC83 (talk) 23:02, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Shreveport estimated winds of 110 mph in their area from the derecho. CrazyC83 (talk) 20:47, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Interesting to note that, from that link, it appears that Dodson was destroyed by an EF1 tornado instead of by derecho winds--anyone else remember any other case of straightline winds receiving the initial blame for tornado damage, instead of the other way around?

As a side note, I removed a reference to "Alabama Derecho 2009" from List of derecho events a bit ago, pending a determination what the actual name to be used for the event is. (I don't think there's any doubt about notability, given the sheer duration and distance covered by the system.) rdfox 76 (talk) 13:34, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Yet another derecho underway (2 PDS severe watches!). Is this May or July? Anyway that may also be article-worthy especially if it holds up to St. Louis or Memphis. CrazyC83 (talk) 12:25, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

3 people dead, winds well over 100 mph reported as well (the recent watch - a tornado watch - had 105 mph winds in the threat!). CrazyC83 (talk) 17:21, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I saw that (Tch, so misleading! Making people worry about tornadoes when a violent derecho is headed for them! Anyhow...)! This derecho is certainly notable: once there is enough information, an article is warranted. From what I can see on storm reports, there is extensive damage pretty much everywhere the derecho tracked. As for the other derecho: while Dodson may or may not have been destroyed by a tornado, I think the derecho might be notable. Whew! May 8 and already two huge derechos. Anyways, I think both of them require articles. Any tornadoes associated with them can go in a subsection. Knight-Lord of the Infernal Penguins 21:44, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Separate or combined articles, since they were due to the same stalled cold front? (Any combined article would have to cover any inter-derecho weaker events this week as well). The tornadoes would definitely go in them, even though they don't warrant an article themselves. Two major derechos in a week is pretty much unheard-of in early May (such typically happens in the heat of summer, from late June to mid-August - and even then it is not all that common). CrazyC83 (talk) 22:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Maybe May 2009 derecho series? This is unheard of, so what would the naming conventions be? Knight-Lord of the Infernal Penguins 23:30, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

There isn't one for a derecho not triggered for something else. I'm going to start it up. CrazyC83 (talk) 01:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

May 11 New Zealand Waterspout / Supercell

I really thinks this deserves mention on the page. There was a massive waterspout off the coast of North Island in New Zealand on May 11. It was produced by a slow moving, and extremely powerful supercell thunderstorm which produced 1,500 lightning strikes per hour and hail which accumulated to 10cm after the storm finally died down. Many news reports are saying that something like this has never been seen. Since it was only a waterspout, but some estimates say it could have easily been an F3 over land, I'm discussing it here. Cyclonebiskit 20:47, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

If you can find some reliable sources then go ahead. Showtime2009 (talk) 21:14, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

June 4 Eastern US Supercell

Around 2:00 PM EST, over Western Virginia, folks including me got the news: there was a severe thunderstorm warning in effect. Then, a couple seconds later, there was a tornado warning in effect, and lots more followed, and I watched in fear and learned this about the storm: it was over Rocky Mount when strong spinning winds were discovered by the Doppler Radar by the Weather Channel Center in Blacksburg, VA. That was when the tornado warnings became in effect for the region of Virginia, including me. Then the tornado touched down, and caused damage. The storm moved to Pittsylvania County and caused power outages there. Flash Flood Warnings, Flash Flood Watches, Severe Thunderstorm Warnings, Severe Thunderstorm Watches, Tornado Warnings, & Tornado Watches were broadcast altogether for a lot of counties. At around 5:00 PM EST, I checked the weather on my other computer back at home(the one I'm not typing on), and there was Flood Watches & Statements for most of Virginia and Northern North Carolina except for the very western county of the Appalachian Plateau region, & The western 2 of the Ridge & Valley region. And there it was: the Tornado Watch Box, over Southern Central VA, Southeastern VA, & North NC. Could a Weather Channel official who has an account on Wikipedia maybe post the details of today's supercell? --Sneaky Oviraptor18^{talk edits tribute} 22:10, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

First off, The Weather Channel is not the best place to look for local weather information. Try the National Weather Service. Second of all, I'm not sure what information you are looking for; could you be more specific? -RunningOnBrains^{(talk page)} 22:23, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

there was a torndso on the groung. It was bg —Preceding unsigned comment added by NoduloMan (talk • contribs) 18:04, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

The name is VORTEX2 not VORTEX 2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by NoduloMan (talk • contribs) 21:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

British Tornado

Why was it removed? - All Tornados need to be added in this article IMO.Jason Rees (talk) 22:26, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

If all tornadoes were added, this article would be an impenetrable mess. More than 1000 tornadoes are reported in the US, and more than 30 in the UK, per year, so the tornado has to demonstrate at least a little notability (damage, casualties, rarity) to make this list. -RunningOnBrains^{(talk page)} 23:04, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

As Runningonbrains said, this article is not a list of all tornadoes to occur in 2009; it's supposed to be a list of significant ones only. Enough tornadoes occur annually in the UK that, while certainly newsworthy locally, an isolated tornado of unspecified (and, thus, most likely low) intensity that appears to have done no damage and caused no injuries isn't really worth listing.

The June 5th Goshen County, WY, tornado is an example of another run-of-the-mill tornado that would likely not be listed here if not for the successful VORTEX2 intercept and the live start-to-finish television broadcast of the tornado itself providing it with a level of notability that, while not warranting a full article, does make it worth mentioning in a rundown of tornadic weather in 2009. rdfox 76 (talk) 01:59, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Generally, any modest outbreaks, anything of F2/EF2 or stronger (although there are some not mentioned, they all are warranted if someone adds them), hits a well-populated area, is historically notable (i.e. first/last of a year, rare location) or has significant media attention is warranted here. Recently, the pattern has favored a lot of tornadoes, but few have been strong or notable so only a few have been worthy of mention. CrazyC83 (talk) 00:46, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

June 17 (earlier?)-19

With significant tornadic activity yesterday and a moderate risk for both today and tomorrow (with mentions of "significant tornadoes"), an article may become warranted eventually. Any other thoughts? Finding a start point is difficult due to the consistent (mostly weak) activity the last week, so it will likely become a case of looking at weather maps. CrazyC83 (talk) 13:36, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

If an article were to be warranted in the future, I would recommend starting with yesterday. ☭ Dictator of all Infernal Proletariat Penguins in the USSR ☭ 15:50, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

maybe depending on what the developping derecho will do tonight across the Mid-west. But a start date would be the 17th with the major outbreak and yesterday's long-lived derecho. Although still no tornado-related fatality. --JForget 00:28, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Given the bust of the following day, no article is warranted. CrazyC83 (talk) 00:42, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

July/August

At this point, I agree that they should be combined, knowing the average (final totals) of the last 10 years is about 90 tornadoes in each month. A hyperactive July or August would warrant splitting. While June has about 100 tornadoes at this point, it surely will be much higher (there were 294 reported, so probably a lot of open-country EF0's will be added to the final total) so that definitely should stay separate. CrazyC83 (talk) 00:17, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Possible Westchester County tornado

Since there was a possibility of a tornado in Westchester County, New York late last night. Pending on the NWS I'm probably going to make an article on it like I did for the one in 2006. This one might be more significant as it tracked through a more populated city than the one three years ago. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 14:29, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Which city? --Anhamirak 14:32, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

New Rochelle and Yonkers Cyclonebiskit (talk) 15:01, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

No real damage except from trees; if it was a tornado, it was EF1 or EF0. I really don't see enough material for an article. Really cool hail drifts though...some still haven't melted according to New York news!

I see you're really into NYC-area tornadoes; maybe you could start on a List of New York tornadoes, similar to List of Connecticut tornadoes and the other articles I've been working on. I'm hoping to get to it in the future, but right now I'm trying to finish up New England, and it is taking quite a while. -RunningOnBrains^{(talk page)} 16:33, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

The list of New York tornadoes would encompass at least 315 tornadoes (1950-2007) so I don't know how that would be possible to fit into a single article. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:03, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Could be split up into eras, like List of Florida hurricanes. Anyway, it was just a thought. It's really just a pipe dream for me at this point. -RunningOnBrains^{(talk page)} 17:31, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

NWS finished their survey, it was confirmed to be a downburst with winds up to 80mph. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 20:31, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

August 19

Sounds like according to a bulletin by the NWS, a tornado was reported (or near) downtown Minneapolis with a church being damaged. Not sure about about damage, although maybe more details will come soon. JForget 19:24, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I actually saw this one - I work in south minneapolis, about 6 blocks to the east of the tornado's path, and could see it from my office. From what I've heard so far, it did go on to hit near the Minneapolis convention center, which is on the SW corner of downtown. Lots of info will be avialable on this from startribune.com, kare11.com, wcco.com & kstp.com. WxGopher (talk) 20:19, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

More tornadoes today from the same system, I added a bit more on the event today. 1 person killed in southern Ontario. CrazyC83 (talk) 23:10, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Is an article warranted on this event? Downtown tornado, strong EF3, a fatality and quite high tornado total... CrazyC83 (talk) 01:55, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Officially there were 11 tornadoes in the NWS Twin Cities area. Here is a clip from the Twin cities NWS:

Low pressure was moving into Minnesota from the west southwest on Wednesday, August 19. This low began to deepen rapidly in the late morning and especially the afternoon as it moved northeast over the Twin Cities metro area. After a morning and early afternoon of primarily rain across the Twin Cities on Wednesday, embedded circulations developed within the shower activity by 2 pm. These circulations were moving quickly north and many were not associated with thunderstorms. There were only a handful of cloud-to-ground lightning strikes all afternoon in the areas where damage was reported. The circulations formed due to strong atmospheric wind speeds which were turning in the lower portion of the atmosphere. While there was little instability, or what meteorologists look for to know that air can rise and form thunderstorms, there was enough rising air to stretch these circulations at times and form likely short-lived tornadoes.

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/news/display_cmsstory.php?wfo=mpx&storyid=30471&source=0

WxGopher (talk) 06:03, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

September inactivity

I know September is not normally an active month unless the tropics are active, but this could be the first time since these annual projects were started that the entire month went without any even semi-notable tornado events and with an empty monthly section. (January came close) With only 3 tornadoes confirmed so far with a week left in September, we have to go back to January 2004 (2 tornadoes) to find a month with so few tornadoes. CrazyC83 (talk) 14:26, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Quite honestly, I don't even understand why the two January entries are even notable. Regardless, this has been a dismal year for tornadoes and any sort of storm chasing and I can only next May/June are actually active compared to this. Showtime2009 (talk) 17:57, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

You're right about that, although it does create an empty section - September is headed there anyway. The main reason is that there has been NO help from the tropics (September 2008 would have been really low too if it weren't for Gustav and Ike), and September numbers are highly dependant on tropical cyclones. It's not common you get the temperature contrasts in the fronts needed to produce significant events at this time of year. CrazyC83 (talk) 04:03, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps a section on the year-long relative inactivity could be put in once the year is over and done. Back when the vortex2 project was going on, I remember reading several news articles/potential sources on the inactivity. Ks0stm ^(T•C•G) 19:06, 29 September 2009 (UTC) There's even this. Ks0stm ^(T•C•G) 19:11, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

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Should the be an article for the event? Tornado outbreaks like that usually only occur in Canada and the United States. Also, it produced 2 EF4 tornadoes, which is rare for South America. Futuremeterologist (talk) 02:19, 28 November 2023 (UTC)