Talk:Toyota AE86

Initial D reference

I was going to add a comment about its popularity thanks to Initial D, but then saw there was a little bit of drama over a popular culture section. This article definitely needs a mention of Initial D, as the car has become something of an icon because of it. Objections? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dashren2001 (talk • contribs) 17:19, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Literally everyone I know who has ever heard of this car, heard of it because of Initial D. I can understand a general reluctance to clutter up articles with endless pop culture trivia, but there's a certain point where it becomes almost irresponsible not to mention certain appearances. Would a one-line pop culture section really cause any problems for anyone reading the article? I don't imagine it would, anyway. TDude695 (talk) 20:43, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Article Moved

I've moved the article to "Toyota AE86" instead of "Toyota AE86 Sprinter Trueno", it more accurately describes the content of the article. --Jeff Lange 08:51, 14 March 2006 (GMT-7)

Specs/Year Changes Added

I've added my list of specs and year changes for North American AE86's. I'd also like to propose a name change for the article to simply "Toyota AE86" as the article deals with all AE86's, not the Japan-specific Sprinter Trueno. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeff Lange (talk • contribs) Feburary 17, 2006

I agree, "Toyota AE86" would certainly fit the article better. --WEKS 19:15, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I would recommend to get the Specs and year changes into one table. It would make this article smaller (in length) and a clearer arrangement. There could also be added the Japanese Models and some infos, if available. Ainawing 12:54, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Older Comments

I just wanted to add some additional information about the car. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SeamusRedux (talk • contribs) July 18, 2004

I don't like how this article likens the car to Skylines, Lancers, and the like because it _doesn't_. For a sub-200hp car it's remarkably quick, but nowhere outside of a work of fiction would it be competant stock for stock with either cars. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.168.109.94 (talk • contribs) June 9, 2005

I've got to agree with you on this. I think the last paragraph seems to be a case of trying to compare the cars with its peers. It is not in the same league as those cars mentioned. Editing to remove references to those vehicles in the last paragraph. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anggarda (talk • contribs) June 16, 2005

Whoever wrote that got alot of info incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.3.146.47 (talk • contribs) October 5, 2005

Rewrite

In my opinion this article needs, if not a content rewrite, than certainly a sweeping reorganization. It reads like an homage, in many areas, so NPOV is an issue, and I think readability could be inproved significantly by breaking it into sections. I'll take a crack at it, unfortunately, I can only verify factual errors as reliably as google can guide me. Fox1 18:42, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

The organization of the information seems wrong some how (mainly within the technical section).

I will rewrite and organize some of it later, I made a few small changes.

- Jeff Lange

I agree on a rewrite, why single out the other AEs before and after it (AE92, AE111, etc), if not, merge it onto Toyota Corolla. WilliRennen 18:42, 12 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Don't merge this with Toyota Corolla. The car is unique in both its sport heritage and its drivetrain. It should be kept separate for the same reason that Subaru Impreza STi is kept separate from Subaru Impreza. It's legendary sports car versus family sedan, and it would be hard to make generalizations within Toyota Corolla since the AE86 is so much different from the other Corolla models.

Better, how about write a new article called Toyota Corolla Levin, which covers all Levins and Truenos made between the '70s 'til the '90s having all being a sporting models and all models made before AE86 were rwds and graft the AE86 article into it. Literally asking why alienate all other Levins and Truenos by writing just an article on AE86s. BTW, the article about the Porsche 911 Carrera RS has being merged into the Porsche 911 article. WilliRennen 14:00, 12 Feb 2006 (UTC)

I agree, the "Hachi-Roku" is certainly famous enough to warrant a separate article, so keep it this way --WEKS 19:15, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I think that the page title should be kept as Toyota AE86 or (Toyota) Corolla AE86. This particular model is very different from the other AE bodies that followed it (in that it is an FR). I do not share the same feelings for the Impreza, though I do recognize that the STi is considerably more potent than it's family-sedan siblings. The Corolla AE86 (Levin, Trueno, Sprinter, GTS, SR5, Apex, etc.) has established itself over the course of 25 years, and deserves its own page. Perhaps an idea to better satisfy the Subaru fan would be to create a page on STi (Subaru Technica International), just as the Toyota fan would favor a page for TRD (Toyota Racing Development). This is not to say that the page shouldn't be cleaned up and/or rewritten, just to say that the AE86 is deserving of its own page. --jclark 1512 EST, 2 FEB 2008

Clearing Up

This following sentence requires rewording: "The Shuichi Shigeno version differs in that its max RPM is 11,000 rpm, it has a light weight reduction (carbon fiber hood), and it is somewhat akin to the re-engined AE86 in Initial D Stage 2, Taito's Japanese Racer, Battle Gear and Genki's Shutokou Battle (1999), have the "Tuned" AE86 Trueno, that is the "Takumi Fujiwara" (the protagonist of Initial D) Trueno GT Apex AE86."

Is the italic text supposed to make sense?

Imported bits

These are the following bits from the Initial D real-life locations and popularity as they have some revelance to this aricle. These are the following that have now been moved in ....

• Three years prior to Initial D, in one of Shigeno's earlier works Tunnel nuketara Sky Blue, the lead character Toshihiko, like Takumi, an 18 year old senior high school student also drives an AE86 Sprinter Trueno.
• Dear Boys on episode 14 the main character went on a date with a girl to go watch a movie. They were watching Initial D Fourth Stage where Takumi's Eight-Six overtakes Tohru's Roadster over the gutter at Momiji Lane. Ironically, this 30 second clip was the prototype cel-shading used on Battlestage as 4th Stage anime hasn't been released yet to the public at the time (this series released in 2003 and Fourth Stage in 2004).
• School Rumble episode 01, where the Eight-Six is being outrunned by the three main characters of Tenma, Karasuma, and Harime Kenji riding their schoolbikes through a corner. Rather than having the Eight-Six called "Fujiwara Tofu Ten", in School Rumble it is called "Kobayashi Tofu Ten".
• Miami Guns episode 04, of a police car that uses an Eight-Six as the chaser in Miami also with the same Panda coloured pattern.
• Capeta episode 01 shows a brief glimps of an Eight-Six. This is an example of how often an Eight-Six is referred. Also, in episode 3, while Capeta's father is working on a Hachi-Roku on the road.
• Transformers in one of their animes shows (the Energon series) an Eight-Six is seen from the distance complete with a carbon fibre hood, although it was never specified if this was a transformable autobot since it was getting a carwash from another autobot.
• The Jrock group M.O.V.E. (Yuri, Motsu, and T-Kimura) who has always done all the official opening songs and most of the closing songs for Initial D has made a "Initial D" related music video called "Freaky Planet". where T-Kimura is driving through a mountain pass, or touge, with Yuri in his passnger seat and Motsu sitting at the back. As they drive, the Eight-Six now with a carbon hood, crosses their paths repeatedly.
• Although there are more anime and manga related findings of Initial D, the Eight-Six can be found in other animes. Such titles to name a few include Ex-Driver, Tenjou Tenge, Over Rev, Azumanga Daioh or FLCL.
• Beck (manga) features a scene where Saitou is rushing Koyuki to the Airport to see Maho off and Saitou is driving extremely fast on the highway and he overtakes the Initial Eight-Six.Willirennen 15:00, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Massive Cleanup Needed

I see --~~~~ in many places, and portions of the "pop culture" look extremely messy. I'll leave it to people more familar with the article before I go in and clean it up myself. --293.xx.xxx.xx 01:08, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Extremely badly written, in some places gibberish. --Dustek 15:51, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I worked it over—how does it look to you now? DocWatson42 07:33, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

too 'americanized' ?

I think North American individual car specs shouldnt be listed as titles in the menu. Perhaps just have then as sub headings and then include things like JDM Levin/Kouki Sepcs / European Specs / Australia / UK... etc —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hr4lifeyo (talk • contribs) 08:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC).

+1 should be reworked Diskovod (talk) 18:26, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

i agree it should be rewritten from scratch to make the japanese models specifications the base (which they were) then show the localised versions (usa, eu, australia) Ae86forlife (talk) 03:29, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Connection between AE86 and Altezza

I read once in one issue somewhere in 1999 of Car magazine, that the man who also was behind the engineering side of the Altezza was also behind the AE86 and has a framed photo that said car in his office, what is his name as what was his role with both cars. Willirennen 19:22, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

That is true, I saw that in the article of the Is250 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hposda (talk • contribs) 22:37, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Toyota's Sports Compact Concept: new AE86?

Hey, my added information kept getting deleted for speculations. Those news of a new sports compact, rear-wheel drive concept from Toyota is actually in the works. News come to our magazines and car press aren't up to date and naturally lag behind that to the Japanese.

Other trueno/levin

I think this article should be edited to include all trueno/levin models (ae92,ae101,ae111 etc.) The AE86 wasnt the only model. This page is also cluttered with insignificant information about the US model changes, i think should be removed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.97.220.128 (talk) 04:52, August 20, 2007 (UTC)

a new ae86 will come —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.43.146.214 (talk) 00:09, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Article split

I don't feel that this article is named properly. It should be split into separate articles for each model rather than an entire chassis. i.e. Split into Toyota Corolla, Toyota Levin, and Toyota Sprinter Trueno. Toyota AE86 should then be made a disambiguation page which includes links to those articles. Please vote on it. —Mr Grim Reaper (talk • contribs • email), 17:00, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

The Levin has always been named officially as Toyota Corolla Levin, one issue I always raised with that decision to split the page what about the other models that used these names, for example Toyota AE92, Toyota AE101 and so on. Because of the cars high notability, it simply has its article. The disambiguation page should be called Toyota Corolla Levin/Sprinter Trueno to highlight these versions. Willirennen 21:56, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, articles should be named by car name, not by chassis code. Chassis code may be used within the properly named articles (e.g. generations.) —Mr Grim Reaper (talk • contribs • email), 02:35, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

I guess these cars are mostly owned by car enthusiasts these days. And among car enthusiasts, I guess the car is mostly known as the AE86. So, I suppose Toyota AE86 is a proper article name according to WP:UCN. --Boivie 17:52, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

I do not feel that naming it Toyota AE86 would follow according to WP:UCN. Many also know these cars as Levins and Sprinter Truenos, and those are the proper names of these cars. —Mr Grim Reaper (talk • contribs • email), 18:18, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

The AE86 was sold under many different names around the world, the main difference between models being the engine and/or the headlights. Toyota (outside of Japan -- encompassing Europe, Australia, and North America), calls the car the "Toyota Corolla Coupe", and trim level variations lie therein. I think naming the article Toyota Corolla Coupe and including that it was called "Corolla GT, Corolla GT-S, Corolla SR5, Corolla Levin, Sprinter Trueno" in various markets would probably be the best option. Especially when this article also includes the AE85. The issue that arises with doing that however is that there are plenty of other cars that are considered Corolla Coupes. The AE92, etc, as well as some newer cars. Not sure what the best way to name the article is. Jeff lange 21:37, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Greetings. The single most defining characteristic of this Corolla is that it is the last RWD (Rear Wheel Drive) Corolla. While previous generations had RWD, the AE85 [Japan] had a much improved engine, the 4A-C [see Toyota Corolla article], and the AE86 had an even better engine (4A-GE) with as much as a 20% increase in HP. This is the main reason the AE86/AE85 was singled out and subsequently became popular to motor'ng enthusiasts. It also so happens that the designation AE86 cover most of the variations of this particular Corolla configuration (i.e. RWD + good engine). Because the car is sold under numerous names and configurations in different countries, it turns out that the most elegant way to refer to this configuration is by the chassis code - which happen to be AE86 [and AE88 in US]. I end with a smiley face =D --Goagogo 06:33, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

AE86 is the chassis code in the US period. You're confusing the SR-5 designated VIN subsection (AE86) and the GTS designated VIN subsection (AE88). They both have Chassis Code AE86. The VIN is set up differently, though containing similar data. The VIN has engine specific data, the chassis code does not. --Vaevictus 18:00, 27 March 2008 (EST) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.251.27.199 (talk)

"AE86 is the chassis code in the US period" - nooope, it's AE88 for US spec, dude Diskovod (talk) 18:24, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Alternatively, it may sound too ambigious, this page could be named Toyota Corolla Levin and Sprinter Trueno AE8(tysomething), at least it would solve all arguments. Willirennen 19:10, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I think it should be Toyota AE86 (Levin) and Toyota AE86 (Trueno), what do you think? Diskovod (talk) 18:24, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't make sense to have just this car named under its chassis code, and not others. The cars should all have their own articles based on model name, i.e. Toyota Corolla and Toyota Sprinter, with the Levin and Trueno under each, respectively. The Corolla and Sprinter both extend beyond the AE86 chassis, thus it's unsuitable for them to redirect to solely one chassis. A disambiguation page named Toyota AE86 may be used to link to both sections of each respective car's article. —Mr. Grim Reaper at 23:37, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

The problem is that the AE86 was known by many different models and grades across the world, It should be Toyota Corolla Levin/Sprinter Trueno (AE86). this is because the original release in Japan, the original country of manufacture, should be the master naming convention. GT-S GT SR-5 etcetc are localised renamed badges for these 2 cars. Ae86forlife (talk) 03:37, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Random public visitors opinion

Please move this page to combine with the toyota sprinter, I had fair amount of trouble finding it and was amazed to find it listed under its chassis code rather than model name, they were all sprinters, levin and trueno. So why are they not listed under toyota sprinter?

Relation with A60 Carina?

http://www.driver.ie/forum/showthread.php?t=35419&highlight=carina

The above suggests the A60 Carina shares a significant amount of parts with the AE86. Could this suggest that the AE86 is more related to the A60 Carina (which was also still RWD) than the E80 Corolla/Sprinter? --Zilog Jones (talk) 21:22, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

no. It isn't anything to do with the carina. a lot of toyota models share components so it is irrelevant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ae86forlife (talk • contribs) 03:39, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Adding External Links

when adding links be courteous and add them AFTER existing links.

i have edited some additions to reflect this. Ae86forlife (talk) 14:56, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

i have again edited some recent additions.. have some respect Ae86forlife (talk) 12:57, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

again, it seems some people think certain sites are exempt from this rule? (edited) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ae86forlife (talk • contribs) 14:31, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Reintroduction by FT-86

Does this really deserve such a big section? The FT-86 is only a concept car, not a production car. It is not directly related to the AE86 except for the number in the name, being RWD in a world of FWD and fulfilling the same market niche (if it became a production car). This section also duplicates a lot of the information at Toyota FT-86 Concept and Toyota FT-86 G Sports Concept. Wouldn't a single paragraph detailing the spiritual link (ie RWD and same market niche) and with links to those 2 articles be enough?  Stepho  (talk) 05:21, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

External Links

I have removed the entire external links section. All of them were fansites, forums, and non-english language sites. All sites that fit into these categories fall under the "external links normally to be avoided" category. I decided to remove the entire external links section since the "References" section has plenty of great technical links, and to discourage message forums from advertising their sites in the links section.

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N.American Chassis code vs VIN

Every now and then someone from N.America edits the article to say that the AE85 has the 4A-C engine, the AE86 has the 4A-GE and the AE88 has the 4A-GE engine with GTS trim. But these 85/86/88 codes are taken from the N.American specific VIN - which is treated as the one and only identifier by them. However, the chassis code on the build plate on the firewall in the engine bay still says AE86 for every 80 series Corolla with a 4A series engine (4A-C, 4A-GE) - just like it does for every other country outside of America. Likewise, every single 80 Series Corolla with a 3A engine is an AE85 - no AE85 (going by chassis code, not VIN) ever had a 4A engine. Can anybody think of a good way to word this. I've got both the chassis and VIN codes for the US models but it will take some time to copy it from microfiche? Japanese models are here: AE85/86 chassis codes  Stepho  (talk) 10:18, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

I've just repaired the damage after another American confused the VIN AE88 with the chassis code AE86. This image of a N.American GTS build plate might help to show where the confusion comes from:

• http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-P4jamHVq6x4/UNiYvCYvB4I/AAAAAAAAARI/MRYFnvfzU-w/s1600/Stinkin%27+Badges+001.jpg
• http://1985ae86hatchback.blogspot.com.au/2011/03/my-1985-toyota-corolla-gts-hatchback.html

Can anybody think of a better way to make it clear that the VIN and chassis code are different for a N.American GTS?  Stepho  talk 

east west gearbox conversion

Is it possible to convert the front wheel drive gear box to a rear wheel drive set up?

HK — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.153.2.2 (talk) 04:54, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

The AE86 is already rear wheel drive. --Daniel 04:57, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Do you mean that you want to convert a FWD AE82 to RWD? It can be done if you want to re-engineer the chassis frame around the engine, add a transmission tunnel, re-engineer the rear suspension and a hundred other little details. Budget on $20,000 and a lot of time. More realistically - no, its too hard.  Stepho  talk  07:49, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Reasons for high resale value

An anon IP has been deleting the paragraph that claims Initial D was the reason for the AE86's high resale value. The supporting reference says "The direct result of this was that cars featured in Initial D, and particularly the AE86, began climbing in price".

My own theory is that the AE86 was the last of the cheap, lightweight RWD cars. Combined with a good engine that could be upgraded to a later version (eg 20-valve), it was the last of the affordable performance Toyotas. After the 86, the FWD Corollas just didn't have the same handling. The Supra, Soarer, Cressida and Crown were just too big to be decent handlers. The GT4 (All Trac) Celica with turbo and 4WD was good but cost much more than the AE86. Leaving the AE86 to fill that niche. Comments?  Stepho  talk  02:32, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

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Much of the article is presented without the benefit of notable sourcing. It mostly sounds credible, but in light of the absence of sources, most of the article could legitimately be removed, by virtue of Wikipedia rules and guidelines. Love of the AE86 and direct familiarity with its history are not enough in the context of an encylopedia. The article needs credible, notable, bona fide sources.842U (talk) 00:44, 16 July 2018 (UTC)