Talk:Toyota Corolla Verso

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. OSX (talk • contributions) 09:59, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

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Toyota Corolla Spacio → Toyota Corolla Verso — The vehicle is a Corolla Verso, it is the most common name, there is no controversy from such a small article with no discussion, and even a Google English-only search gives more than twice as many results for Toyota Corolla Verso than Toyota Corolla Spacio. Jenova20 12:03, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

To be exact a worldwide search in English nets nearly 6 times as many results for "Toyota Corolla Verso" than "Toyota Corolla Spacio".

The article should use the more common name for the English speaking Wikipedia.

81.137.240.118 (talk) 09:50, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

We had a big discussion of this on the Automobile project last year. The result was put on the conventions page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Automobiles/Conventions#Titles. Please read this carefully before further discussion.  Stepho  (talk) 11:17, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Toyota being Japanese would back my point here that this article is named wrongly.

Also "Each article shall be titled with the model name used in the subject vehicle's home market, unless a single name other than the home-market name is used in English-speaking markets, and the home market is not English-speaking. In such cases, the article shall be titled with the model name used in English-speaking markets."

That would make the car the Toyota Corolla Verso.

I'm in line with your automobile convention here and English is not the native language in Japan so this shouldn't be a controversial move.

Thanks Jenova20 14:57, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

It seems to have been called Spacio in New Zealand at least, which would make the JDM name correct for this article.  ⊂| Mr.choppers |⊃  (talk) 19:07, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Was the Spacio an official NZ model or a grey import? NZ is famous for allowing a lot of JDM grey imports and also for having odd ball JDM models (ie models originally designed for Japan but sold in NZ brand new). Either way, since NZ is only a single country with a smallish market, I'm tempted to agree with renaming to 'Corolla Verso'.  Stepho  (talk) 22:41, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Dunno, I was referencing the article. It was definitely called the Verso in all European markets, and if NZ and AUS did so as well, then absolutely: move it.  ⊂| Mr.choppers |⊃  (talk) 16:53, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

This model was not sold in Australia and as far as I know New Zealand (nothing on the archived versions of their official website). It appears to be a Europe and Japan only model, so "Corolla Verso" seems like the best title per WP:CARS/Conventions. OSX (talk • contributions) 03:23, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

I tried to start the move by renaming to 'Toyota Corolla Verso' but it says 'Toyota Corolla Verso' already exists (inspite of Wikipedia:Moving a page saying that redirect pages are okay to overwrite). So I rename 'Toyota Corolla Verso' to 'Toyota Corolla Verso temp' (which will later be renamed as 'Toyota Corolla Spacio' with a redirect to 'Toyota Corolla Verso') but it still rejects it. I will try again a little later in case its just a cache issue.  Stepho  (talk) 04:36, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

I think you have to request an admin to move the page. If it wasn't already clear, I support the move, as all of my reservations thereto have been cleared.  ⊂| Mr.choppers |⊃  (talk) 06:16, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

The redirect page actually has to be deleted prior to the page move. To get the redirect deleted quickly, I just added the following template to the Corolla Verso redirect page: {{db-move|Toyota Corolla Spacio|per consensus at [[Talk:Toyota Corolla Spacio]]}}. OSX (talk • contributions) 07:20, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Seems like Wikipedia:Moving a page is out-of-date with respect to overwriting redirect pages.  Stepho  (talk) 08:26, 26 April 2011 (UTC)