Talk:Toyota Vitz

Discontinued in the U.S.? Or not?

In the U. S., the article says it was a flop that, as of 2004, has only "one year of production" in the U.S. But the October 2005 Consumer Reports, page 14, lists it as one of the "New and Notable: Cars to Watch in 2006-7" and says "It should continue as a fuel-efficient small car... Small cars often grow with redesigns so you may see a longer, wider Echo and possibly a hatchback version." Dpbsmith (talk) 22:05, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Theonlyedge 19:13, 11 February 2006 (UTC) The new Yaris is being sold in Europe, Canada, and the US as of late 2005

In conclusion, basically the original Yaris/Echo was a flop in the US (since Americans like big road hogs not small cars). I suspect Toyota decided to have another go given that fuel economy is no longer something Americans can afford to ignore... Nil Einne 07:58, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

MPG

I don't see any fuel economy estimates here! This was a huge selling point for the Yaris in England - the diesel in particular gets an estimated 68 imperial gallons combined city/highway driving. I hear that the Yaris as marketed stateside will top out at 37 MPG. Yuck. 71.116.217.242 18:46, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm getting avg 34 mpg in mixed city/highway out of it (Ukraine, Europe). This matches to 7 liters per 100 km. This is with air conditioning enabled and recommended tire pressure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.108.162.1 (talk) 12:28, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'm an American, and one thing you have to understand is that many of your european cars, not only wouldn't be popular, but wouldn't be safe to drive. I forget which country it is in europe, but there is one country in which their standard size car, is the same as our subcompact. Our drivers go considerably faster with considerbly more threatening cars than the ones in europe, so to actually drive something like a smart car(it's some subsidiary of the volkswagen group, I think), would be a very dangerous thing to do. One might find themselves with no chance of living, in a serious accident.

Blonde2max 22:22, 28 April 2006 (UTC) I agree- it was one of the most frugal cars. The 1.0 gets about 38MPG in town at rush hour!

I bet the Americans wish they could get that now petrol or gasoline has reached the staggering amount of 40pence sterling per litre!

Seconded, we need to boldy state the MPG of the Echo in the article. It is one of the most significant details about the car. It competes with hybrids, and costs sooooo much less, especially used (and used Echo's maintain their value really well). Mathiastck 19:47, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I am an American and I own a 2007 American Yaris and I love it. So, yes, you can buy one in the United States. It gets 40 miles to a United States Gallon. By the way, not all Americans like big cars. I have never liked driving large vehicles and it is NOT just because of the cost of fuel.

Did you tell the Circus Clowns you were taking their car? If not that's grand theft auto. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.162.90.213 (talk) 07:14, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

If only they'd sell us Americans a Yaris with a 1.4 liter Diesel or a 1.0 petrol engine! With the new EPA estimates, if they can be trusted, a Corolla has virtually identical fuel consumption to a 1.5 Yaris despite weighing many hundred pounds more and shipping with a 1.8 guzzler as base. Right now, the cheap cost of a base-model Yaris ($10,500?) is the only reason to consider one... --128.119.16.240 (talk) 16:44, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Better photo?

Any better photos out there for the new version? They've been advertising it heavily on the web, but the current photo for this article is a rather dark photo of a dirty car from a bad angle. ~ Oswald Glinkmeyer 15:12, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks to those who cleaned up the images. Oswald Glinkmeyer 23:42, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

why removed the first gen image when we don't have a replacement? Baboo 20:35, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Huge safety problems!

Three out of four killed in the latest model red Yaris, despite airbags - yet nobody dead in the Daewoo Lanos, an obsolete car model without any airbags. Something is fishy about Yaris safety claims, it must have zero NCAPs! Thirty five zoomable photos of the frontal crash site, can browse at the bottom:

http://www.langlovagok.hu/html/galeria/598.shtml

title

I think it's completely against Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names) to call this article "Vitz". Who calls it like that, anyway? Is it a factory name? If it's sold all around the world as "Yaris", why would we use the factory name? The disambiguation with Toyota Belta can be done some other way. --Joy [shallot] 21:11, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

it's called a yaris. i'm changing it. Fggfg 19:39, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Unless someone specifically objects I will be moving this article to Toyota Yaris -- this is after all the english language wikipedia (US & UK) not the japanese one. Toyota Vitz should redirect to Yaris. Causantin 09:10, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I saw a Vitz yesterday. It is called Vitz in some countries. 67.70.97.146 00:31, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

It was difficult to find any information on the Yaris yesterday because i didn't notice you renamed it the "Vitz" In UK and US it is a Yaris so there doesn't seem a point changing the article to "Vitz" Is the non English article called Yaris? (81.137.240.118 (talk) 11:32, 28 October 2010 (UTC)Jenova2081.137.240.118 (talk) 11:32, 28 October 2010 (UTC))

According to the WP automobile project, the home market name is preferred. Also, the Toyota Yaris article explains that the 'Yaris', 'Echo', 'Platz', 'Belta' and 'Vitz' names differ for each market and then gives link a link to here. Your edits were in good faith but I will have to undo them.  Stepho  (talk) 00:36, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Semperit Irish Car of the Year Award

The car that won the award in 1999 was the Ford Focus... I saw that 1999's Semperit Car is the "??" according to this page.

An external page mimicing Wikipedia?

I had already read the Wikipedia article and was looking on Google when I found an article on Blogspot that is nearly identical to the Wikipedia article. I haven't had time yet to read all of the Wikipedia rules but somehow it seems like there should at least be a link from here to there unless this article was written first. The blogspot is from January 2007.

Also, a couple of things to respond to some earlier stuff said...don't try and compare mpg ratings using imperial gallons. The US mpg ratings do not use imperial gallons. Four US gallons = FIVE Imperial gallons. Ratings have to be multiplied by .8 to compensate. And isn't it still called the Vitz in Japan? Stupid Toyota, three names for the same car was a stupid idea from the start. Mewsterus (talk) 22:14, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Consistent units?

I propose to standardise the units on metric first, rather than the rather mixed-up units at the moment, as recommended in the Wikipedia MoS for non-US-specific articles. Any objections? Peter Barber (talk) 09:46, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

echo / yaris

when was the Yaris ever called the Echo? While I can see that they are similar enough to share chassis and most mechanical components as well as interior, the Echo is much taller and with a humongous arse of a boot. It is usually seen here in the Middle East in the form of the poverty spec hire car. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.107.130.93 (talk) 09:17, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Car owner manuals

I just bought a Toyota Vitz from a private person here in Maputo (Mozambique)but the owner's manual is all in Chinese, and Toyota in Maputo do not have this model nor the owner's manual in English. Could you please help me in getting the manual in English? or telling me if the manual is available on the internet?

Your help will be much appreciated.

Best Regards Carlos Freire —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.46.4.197 (talk) 15:28, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Edit war over UCSR

Regarding this edit, and several previous ones, should we format information in the preferred format per WP:MoS using prose, or using image-formatted stars which go against the MoS?

Additionally, I do not consider the Used Car Safety Ratings (UCSR) to be non-notable as Kteres2 claims. Just because this data is not widely reported overseas, does not discount its notability. The UCSR data is based on 2 million police reported crashes in Australia and New Zealand since 1987, which has been analysed by Monash University in Melbourne. It is useful because unlike NCAP, the data is based on crashes in the real world, and not just one or two specific testing parameters. OSX (talk • contributions) 14:49, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

How's it notable, after googling Monash University and Yaris (http://www.google.com/#sclient=en&q=Monash+University+yaris), nothing notable shows up. The EuroNCAP data is presented the same way on EuroNCAP's website (http://www.euroncap.com/tests/toyota_yaris_2000/74.aspx); its much easier to look at a chart instead of reading multiple lines of text multiple times for the same information. If the charts are excessively long then the hide function can easily be implemented. Kteres2 (talk) 15:32, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

I certainly agree that UCSR is a notable and noteworthy reference - and their results are considerably more relevant than crash tests. I don't really like the MoS standpoint on this, as this kind of information is much more accessible in the chart format. It could definitely be better and more concisely presented in a table though. And the reason Kteres2 can't find anything for Monash and Yaris is because the car is called the Toyota Echo in Australia, which should be obvious if one takes the time to read OSX's edits instead of just reverting them.  ⊂| Mr.choppers |⊃  (talk) 19:19, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

You will not find much searching "Echo and Monash" either because most news outlets just mention the "Used Car Safety Ratings". In addition, the Echo's individual result is not widely reported because it is not an outstanding result. Each year, when an updated version of the UCSR is released, news outlets tend only to report on the highest and lowest ranking models because of the sheer number of vehicles listed. However, UCSR are published alongside ANCAP results on the How safe is your car? website run by the Victorian Government. Specific mention of the Echo is made here and here on third-party websites. However, a search for "Used car safety ratings" AND "Toyota Camry" or Volkswagen Golf brings up multiple results because these models score highly.

Regarding the use of stars or prose for the displaying the NCAP results, it certainly is easier to see at a glance what the result is when the stars are used. However, prose should be used wherever possible. I don't think the purpose of Wikipedia is to spoon feed information to individuals who suffer from adverse allergic reactions to reading. A lot of content would be easier to find if written in bullet points, such as standard equipment, engine specifications, et cetera (see: Wikipedia:Manual of Style (embedded lists)). One only has to look at the ungainly list in the second generation Vitz section to see why prose is preferable. The second generation only lists the EuroNCAP result of the Yaris with seven airbags (five stars), and not the dual-airbag equipped model (four stars). The updated 2010 NHTSA scores are also not included, nor are the scores produced by the IIHS. Include these and the list would be three times longer. OSX (talk • contributions) 00:02, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

A study done by a large university, year after year, based on real life crash results, published on a government website - that's got to be the gold standard for a Wikipedia reference. Also, it covers a region not covered by the European and American sources.

Regarding the stars, I like summary tables (with stars in this case) when I want to compare things. If the values are different per region/year/whatever then stars are good. The table (if used) should be short. Details should always be prose (as per MOS).  Stepho  (talk) 00:59, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

I have edited the article to include both the text and a summary table. OSX (talk • contributions) 01:28, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Excellent. I took the liberty of changing this talk page section title to 'Edit war over UCSR' in anticipation of the next edit war - hopefully a long time in the future :)  Stepho  (talk) 15:30, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

American XP20 predecessor

Recently the predecessor in the top infobox (ie not a generation infobox) added the Echo as the predeccessor for the N.American Vitz. Problem is, the Echo is listed as starting in 1999 and the Vitz is listed as starting in 1998. Seems kind of quirky and backwards. I gather the real intention was to show that the N.America XP10 Echo (which was really a variation of the XP10 Vitz anyway) was the predecessor of the N.America XP20 Vitz. I just can't think of a good way to put that in infoboxes that doesn't also require a big dose of qualification in the body text. Thoughts?  Stepho  (talk) 04:24, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

It's simply trying to force a North American model cycle into an article that is supposed to represent an international perspective. The 2006 model year Yaris (Vitz) hatchback did not directly replace the Echo (Platz) coupe and sedan. Although the Yaris (Belta) sedan did replace the Echo (Platz) sedan, the coupe was not really replaced at all. OSX (talk • contributions) 08:31, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

In the U.S. at least, the three-door Yaris definitely fills the market position left by the two-door Echo. Whether that's worth putting in an infobox is another question. IFCAR (talk) 14:11, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree but it's not really a replacement as such but a substitution. Taking into consideration all markets, the original Vitz hatchback was replaced by a new generation of the same. The Platz sedan was replaced by the Belta, while the coupe was discontinued. As Stepho said above, it is not attainable to show that the XP20 Yaris replaced the XP10 Echo using an infobox. It will work if explained using prose. OSX (talk • contributions) 08:26, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page not moved. It seems that the page currently at the proposed target should stay there, helping readers find which of three articles they're looking for. - GTBacchus^(talk) 05:19, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

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Toyota Vitz → Toyota Yaris – WikiProject Automobiles conventions agree that the international name should be used as the most common outside Japan and since Japan is none English speaking, this article states itself that "Yaris" is the international name so Vitz should be a redirect and Yaris the main article, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. Jenova20 11:15, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• Support - not the most used name and Japan is none English speaking so most common name would be Yaris. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jenova20 (talk • contribs) 11:16, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Supporting evidence of an English only Google Search: "Toyota Vitz" - 1,760,000 and "Toyota Yaris" - 43,800,000 - almost 40 times as popular a name than Vitz, this shouldn't really be controversial. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jenova20 (talk • contribs) 11:21, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Supporting evidence from WikiProject Automobiles: "Each article shall be titled with the model name used in the subject vehicle's home market, unless a single name other than the home-market name is used in English-speaking markets, and the home market is not English-speaking. In such cases, the article shall be titled with the model name used in English-speaking markets." Jenova20 11:27, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Toyota Yaris hatchback

Main article: Toyota Vitz

Toyota Yaris sedan

Main article: Toyota Belta

• Oppose: WP:CARS/Conventions would support your proposal if the Toyota Belta did not exist. The Belta is sold in North America and Australia among other places as the Toyota Yaris sedan, yet they are different vehicles. The Belta is not simply a sedan version of the hatchback Vitz/Yaris. It is actually a separate model, although both share the same underpinnings. Moving the page would simply be ignoring the other car.

"Toyota Belta" English-Only Google search - 551,000 results Jenova20 11:39, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

"Toyota Vitz" gets far more than 551,000 results, so then maybe we should move that page to "Toyota Yaris" instead? What do you plan on doing with the Toyota Belta information? It's completely different car, so it can't just shoehorned into this article. OSX (talk • contributions) 11:54, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

It could just be left where it is, with a mention in the Yaris article and a link. Similar to the Hyundai Elantra Touring's mention in Hyundai Elantra -- another case in which two loosely-related models share a name only in the North American market -- whereas its main article uses the international i30.

That said, I also don't have a problem with the current disambiguation page. Someone who searches Yaris will have no trouble finding their desired model. IFCAR (talk) 12:01, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

It could, but then we would be favouring one model over the other. The Yaris/Belta is sold in many more countries than the United States and Canada, and from past experience a lot of users don't see the hatnote at the top of the article and therefore can't find what they are after. At least if a reader types in "Toyota Yaris" they arrive at a fully illustrated disambiguation page and can choose the exact bodystyle of Yaris that they're after. OSX (talk • contributions) 12:25, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

No it doesn't OSX, i just double checked [[1]] English-only search of those 2 exact words in that order.

Thanks Jenova20 12:34, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Both the links you provide give the Vitz with 1.75 million results versus 0.5 million for the Belta. Therefore the Belta is the more obscure name in the English-speaking world and is more deserving of the "Toyota Yaris" page name if this is being decided based on the Google search results (I don't want to the Belta page to be moved either). OSX (talk • contributions) 12:42, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

My last comment was wrong, read the top, that one's right and you trailled off for some reason and stated that ""Toyota Vitz" gets far more than 551,000 results".

Well i know it does, i wrote it myself after looking it up.

Read the first results i put again.

Toyota Vitz is 1,760,000, Toyota Yaris is 43,800,000, Toyota Belta is 551,000, meaning Yaris is still more than 20 times more popular by name than the other 2 combined in English.

ThanksJenova20 13:31, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

I have no comment on the Belta, it's even more unpopular than the Vitz and not sold in the UK.

It appears to be sold only in Canada and NA, where they don't like hatchbacks, hence the very low search results.

The Yaris hatchbacks are sold all throughout Europe that i know of but i can't comment on America.

Thanks Jenova20 13:35, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

I would also fiercely resist a Yaris/Belta disambiguation since the Yaris is more than 80 times as popular and sold throughout more countries.

Another article for the Belta - sure, but a disambiguation page to promote something for Canada and America with very few buyers - i cannot support that in any way.

Sorry about so many replies, i'm a little busy. Jenova20 13:40, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

I feel that the current situation works fine - google hits is not everything.  ⊂| Mr.choppers |⊃  (talk) 18:14, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• Question If this move is carried out, then what would happen to the page currently at Toyota Yaris? That page now is essentially a detailed dab page, directing readers to the Vitz, Belta, and Platz articles, which doesn't seem so bad to me. -GTBacchus^(talk) 23:48, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

It would get burried in the page history as there would be no where else for it to go once the "Yaris" pagename is taken up. Because the name "Yaris" applies to three different cars, moving the "Vitz" article to "Yaris" would disregard the other two cars and make them a lot harder to find. OSX (talk • contributions) 01:52, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, that seems to be a persuasive argument against moving this page. What am I missing? -GTBacchus^(talk) 18:06, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

No, it would disappear from the page history as the move request is now structured... deleted in practice. This is obviously not a good thing. Andrewa (talk) 10:43, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose. The article now at the target Toyota Yaris should be preserved. Suggest that both articles be reworked instead to focus on the topics best described by their current titles. Andrewa (talk) 10:43, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

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Suggested move?

The Yaris, Betla, Vitz, And Platz should be merged into one article and discuss the different regional names. I propose this because It would bring the articles into a worldwide point of view instead of american, european, and japanese points of view. Any opposes? I will follow through with this in a week if no opposes are made. Wikimann1234 10/19/11

Read the previous proposed moves to begin with. Then tell us what you would like to name your proposed single article. Then wait and see what the reaction is. My tentative reaction is to say "no", but then again I don't yet really know what you are trying to accomplish.  ⊂| Mr.choppers |⊃  (talk) 03:57, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Just so that we are all on the same page, here are the relationships between the Vitz/Platz/Belta/Yaris/Echo/Vios/Verso/Ractis/ist/xA/xD/Sienta (all of which share the XP family code and share the frame and mechanicals for a given year):

• Yaris/Echo 1999-2005
  
  • XP10 Hatchback (Vitz in Japan, Yaris in Europe, Echo in Australia/Canada)
  • XP10 Sedan (Platz in Japan, Yaris in Europe, Echo in Australia/Canada/US, Vios in Asia) Edit by OSX: Vios is a re-bodied Platz, not a rebadged version.
  • XP10 Coupe (Platz in Japan, Echo in Canada/US) Edit by OSX: coupe not sold in Japan.
  • Yaris Verso van, Echo Verso van derived from Japanese Fun Cargo, replaced by Ractis

• Yaris 2005-2011
  • XP90 Hatchback (Vitz in Japan, Yaris in Europe/Australia/Canada,US/Malaysia)
  • XP90 Sedan (Belta in Japan, Yaris in Europe/Australia/Canada/US, Vios in Asia)
  • Hatchback designed in Europe, sedan designed in Japan
  • Share frame and mechanicals
  • XP90 also sold as Daihatsu Charade from 2011 onwards (parallel with XP130)

• Yaris 2011-
  • XP130-A Hatchback derived from Vitz (Yaris in Europe/Australia)

• Ractis 2005-2010
  • Based loosely on Vitz
  • Replaced Yaris Verso

• Verso-S 2010-
  • XP120
  • Second generation of Ractis
  • Also sold as Subaru Trezia

• ist/xA 2001-2006
  • ist in Japan, xA in US/Canada

• ist/xD 2006-
  • XP110/115-A (current model in Japan)
  • ist in Japan, xD in US/Canada
  • Urban Cruiser in Europe (slightly different panels)

• Belta
  • XP92/96-B (current model in Japan)

• Sienta
  • XP81 (current model in Japan)

• Will Vi
  • ???

Not sure if the other Scion vehicles and the Japanese Will Vi should also be here or not (if their model starts starts with xxP, eg NCP130, then yes). As you can see, this is a highly complex and incestuous vehicle family.  Stepho  talk  08:00, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Good work Stepho.

Maybe the article could be split in the way some Fords have for different markets?

I still support a basic rename and policy change if possible instead though.

I Still also feel the most common name is the one that people should be greeted with on WP, rather than redirected.

Thanks Jenova20 08:38, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately we have to deal with the Vitz and Belta sharing their basic frame, mechanicals and model code but nothing else. If we treat them as variations of the same vehicle then you must also include the Verso, Ractis, ist, xA and XD (and maybe others). If you treat the Vitz, Belta and Platz as different vehicles then you must treat the Yaris hatchback and Yaris sedan as separate vehicles. This is why we have separate Vitz and Belta articles, with the Yaris/Echo article merely containing links to the relevant sections in the Vitz/Platz/Belta articles. Each decision has consequences and trade offs.  Stepho  talk  09:24, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Jenova20, I agree, but what if one wishes to find information on the Yaris sedan based on the Toyota Belta? The Belta is not merely a Vitz sedan with modified front-end styling. None of the panels are interchangeable or even look derived from one another (even the exterior door handles differ). If one was to search "Toyota Yaris", they are presented with an excellent disambiguation page and should have absolutely no difficulty finding the version of Yaris they are after. Sure, moving this Vitz article to Yaris would benefit readers in the United Kingdom who are not offered the sedan version and North Americans looking for the hatchback, but will be very counterproductive for those seeking information on the sedan.

If Toyota decides to discontinue the sedan or produces future generations of the sedan as an actual Vitz hatchback with a boot/trunk (akin to the Ford Fiesta sedan, Mazda 2 sedan, et cetera), and this trend continues for some time, then I would probably support the move because the Belta would become less significant in the context of the broader model history. OSX (talk • contributions) 09:39, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes but all disagreements aside...my main beef with this article is that there is significantly more interest in the Yaris than the Vitz.

I don't know much about the Belta other than it is sold in just Canada and America and Google hits would indicate that 95% of people have never heard of it.

That's why i'm arguing for a change in policy to the most popular name being used rather than one where a country with the same vehicle name as the foreign maker's can stick a name on all of us even if that country had a population of 1,10,100 or more.

Thanks Jenova20 10:48, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

OSX, I do believe Toyota has dropped the Yaris sedan for the U.S. market for the 2012 model year. (Don't know if there's still one elsewhere under who-knows-what name.) But I'm not sure why that makes a difference.

Basically, the argument in support of taking Yaris straight to the Vitz page is confusion, but there clearly is none. Toyota Yaris right now makes it perfectly clear to readers where they should go for different bodystyles and generations, and the articles themselves are chock full of references to "Yaris." There just isn't a problem here that needs to be solved. IFCAR (talk) 12:53, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough, i respect th eopinion of everyone who commented.

I would however like to move this back to the example i gave of the current policy and if there is agreement to change it for some situations.

It would be preferable to change it before the situation presents itself than after as a few have agreed it is not perfect in current form.

Thanks all Jenova20 13:36, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

{[outdent}} All WP policies are subject to common sense. if a case truly doesn't fit the policy then editors are free to do it differently. However, care must be taken not to abuse this freedom. The current policy for naming vehicle articles was written after much debate in order to avoid time wasting discussions. Most of the arguments devolved down to "this is the name that I know it as" and "my country is bigger than yours, so the name used in my country should be used". Unless there is a concrete example showing the current policy to be broken, I would be very much against opening it up again on purely theoretical grounds.  Stepho  talk  04:29, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Well at the moment Toyota Yaris is a disambiguation page so for the majority of the information you have to go to Toyota Vitz.

What's wrong with swapping Vitz to the disambiguation page?

The biggest amount of users have to use the Yaris page simply to be redirected rather than be on the right page (Yaris) and have the option of Vitz as a disambiguation.

I think the current policy is broken, or at least i have found a crack as with the example i gave before.

Thanks Jenova20 08:54, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

The current setup has more room for explanations of what is included on the different pages, which couldn't be easily absorbed into a "see also" on a main article. IFCAR (talk) 13:01, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

That's not what i'm asking for, i'm asking for Yaris to be the main article and Vitz to be the disambiguation page.

A simple swap between the two pages.

Thanks Jenova20 14:32, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

That's not what a disambiguation page is. There's nothing ambiguous about the Vitz -- there's only one model using the Vitz name. The Yaris has a disambiguation page because someone searching "Toyota Yaris" could have meant any number of different vehicles -- no one is going to search "Toyota Vitz" who means anything else. IFCAR (talk) 15:37, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

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"Toyota Yaris ONYX" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Toyota Yaris ONYX. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 21:09, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Vitz is the same car as same as vios and yaris

if you bought yaris,vios or vitz you must know that vitz,vios and yaris is the same. 2001:F40:960:26F3:9924:74A5:971E:C3F5 (talk) 13:15, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

so is my vios related to vitz and yaris? 2001:D08:1AE0:F5D7:1:0:A5CE:9241 (talk) 00:12, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Not every vitz is like yaris and vios

only the suzuki celerio based model is not like yaris and yios. 2001:F40:960:26F3:9924:74A5:971E:C3F5 (talk) 13:27, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

only the vitz 2024 is not yaris type. Its the celerio type. 2001:D08:1AE0:F5D7:1:0:A5CE:9241 (talk) 00:13, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

All this is mentioned in the article's introduction. Is there something that you specifically want to change in the article?  Stepho  talk  00:17, 4 May 2024 (UTC)