Talk:Treaty of Edinburgh–Northampton

Turpis Pax

Edward may always have thought of Northampton as a turpis pax but he did not repudiate it until his open intervention in favour of Edward Balliol in 1333, three years after he took charge of affairs in England. Rcpaterson 05:55, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I have also edited out some confusion over timing and events. Ulster was invaded before County Durham, and both events took place during the minority of Edward III. There was no fresh application to Parliament for funds after the Weardale fiasco. Rcpaterson 03:36, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Or did it?.....

Though it is very often said that this treaty granted or confirmed Scotland's present boundaries it is not quite as clear as one might assume.

The exact wording (translated from the French original) includes "We will and grant by these presents, for us, our heirs and successors whatsover, with the common advice, assent and consent of the prelates, princes, earls, barons and the commons of our realm in our Parliament, that the Kingdom of Scotland, within its own proper marches as they were held and maintained in the time of King Alexander of Scotland..."

The problem lies in the precise meaning of the expression "within its own proper marches as they were held and maintained in the time of King Alexander of Scotland". This could properly be read as meaning only the lands north of the Forth, since Alexander only held the Lowlands having been granted the land personally as an English Lord owing feudal duty for it to the King of England - in other words these lands which included Edinburgh were (and 'always' had been) part of England and had thus never been part of the 'proper marches' of the 'Kingdom of Scotland'. The inhabitants of these lands were at that time unquestionably English and not in any sense Scots. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.5.7.5 (talk) 15:57, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

£100,000 not £20,000

The terms of the treaty were that Scotland pay England £100,000, not £20,000, in silver within ten years. The figure can be confirmed on the on-line Scots parialmentary archives 17th March 1328. I've corrected the main text.

£100,000 not £20,000

The terms of the treaty were that Scotland pay England £100,000, not £20,000, in silver within ten years. The figure can be confirmed on the on-line Scots parialmentary archives 17th March 1328. I've corrected the main text. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.12.99.105 (talk) 14:02, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

The reported difference in the two figures may be relate to differences in value between the Scots Pound and the English Pound Sterling. The Scots pound in this period may well have been worth only one fifth of the English pound - see Wikipedia page: Scots Pound. Cassandra — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.96.60.13 (talk) 12:59, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

The Original

"All of these documents do not survive". This is ambiguous. It should be either "Not all of these documents survive" (i.e. some of them do (if so, where?), which would be the conventional inference) or "None of these documents survive".

2A00:23C6:AE82:5D01:8502:B528:555F:B97E (talk) 17:57, 22 June 2024 (UTC)